4 piece bass

Can't wait to see this bad boy painted up!

A lot of hard work and nice details . Looks to be a master ?

Well done !

On 1/22/2020 at 5:27 PM, danthefisherman said:

Can't wait to see this bad boy painted up!

Thanks man 

48 minutes ago, swimb8s said:

A lot of hard work and nice details . Looks to be a master ?

Well done !

It is going to be a master used to make molds. But, unfortunately this one is just about dead. the proportions were all off and it doesn't really move the way i want it to. A new body has been cut and i'll put pics up once it looks a little less like a lump of wood. 

That's awesome!

You have done a marvelous job on this first prototype. You must be very disappointed that it did not work as expected first time. More prototyping needs to be done before you spend time carving details.

Your analysis of your problems is correct. The proportion ratio needs addressing, and I would suggest work in the body around the forward side of the hinges. The rear side is fine, simply angle the forward side to form a Vee in the same direction. This seems like an insignificant change, but believe me, it will make a difference. Have a look at this video that I made on this subject.

As for the proportion, I suggest a 4:3:3:3 ratio, not including the hinges. This would make the head a little longer.

A BIG factor to success is hinge friction. Hinges have to be totally free or binding will occur. You could try tapering both ends of the center dowels slightly, removing that face-to-face contact, this might help.

You may need more thickness at the head, to generate more powerful vortices. Thicken up from the lip to the top of the forehead.

Except for the ratio, all these ideas could be incorporated into this design prototype, using Bondo and a bit of whittling.

You are so close.

Dave

Edited February 13, 2020 by Vodkaman

14 hours ago, All Eyes said:

That's awesome!

Thanks man. The new edition will look better. 

12 hours ago, Vodkaman said:

You have done a marvelous job on this first prototype. You must be very disappointed that it did not work as expected first time. More prototyping needs to be done before you spend time carving details.

Your analysis of your problems is correct. The proportion ratio needs addressing, and I would suggest work in the body around the forward side of the hinges. The rear side is fine, simply angle the forward side to form a Vee in the same direction. This seems like an insignificant change, but believe me, it will make a difference. Have a look at this video that I made on this subject.

As for the proportion, I suggest a 4:3:3:3 ratio, not including the hinges. This would make the head a little longer.

A BIG factor to success is hinge friction. Hinges have to be totally free or binding will occur. You could try tapering both ends of the center dowels slightly, removing that face-to-face contact, this might help.

You may need more thickness at the head, to generate more powerful vortices. Thicken up from the lip to the top of the forehead.

Except for the ratio, all these ideas could be incorporated into this design prototype, using Bondo and a bit of whittling.

You are so close.

Dave

Thanks Dave. I already have a new body cut out and sanded down with much better proportions. I matched the proportions to a popular 4 piece bait that rhymes with mucca scad. This new one also has a fatter head with narrower body and tail to keep the mass down in the rear. I like to use jb kwik wood if i need any putty since it still carves nicely and i am not too familiar with carving on bondo. (done a few auto body patches with the stuff though). 

I have actually watched that video in this whole process of redoing this bait and a few of your other water test videos. The hinges on the new one will not be V shaped at all this time around. I plan on sanding in the grooves for the hinges with a Dremel and filling and cracks or voids after fitting with kwik wood to smooth things out. The joints already get sanded and rounded a bit so there are no square edges to bind on. the resin this will ultimately be cast is tends to be very slick on the surface so that should help. 

I'll post some new pics shortly of the new body. I don't have any of the prototyped body I've been testing all this stuff on. 

Thanks again for all the advice! 

 

Bondo is just an idea, your choice or others are just as good.

If you are posting with questions or problems, you should also add to hard baits forum for a better response. If you are simply just showing your work then yes, gallery is the place.

I hope you make a video of the swimming when you get to where you want.

Dave

1 hour ago, Vodkaman said:

Bondo is just an idea, your choice or others are just as good.

If you are posting with questions or problems, you should also add to hard baits forum for a better response. If you are simply just showing your work then yes, gallery is the place.

I hope you make a video of the swimming when you get to where you want.

Dave

I'm just trying to document the build really. That's what i was doing over in the hardbait section but was told it wasn't the place for photo updates. Not trying to break any rules here was just really trying to use it as a sort of "build thread" to document the ups and downs of build a new (for me) design. I try to answer all of my own questions through searching and have gone back about 95 pages in the hardbait section just reading and absorbing. 

Can i post videos here in the gallery as well? I do have some decent videos of some redesigns iv'e made to my crappie. All shot in Resin White for your viewing pleasure haha. 

I always post my videos in the forum. There was, maybe still is a specific location for videos, I am not sure.

The general forum is exactly the place for build documentation and photos. Not everyone understands the functionality of the different pages.

Gallery - to show off pics of lures. That is all, the sole purpose. You can get the feel good of people respecting and appreciating your skills as a creator.

Forum - a place to receive and give knowledge. By documenting your process of a build you are giving knowledge. People will read and learn how it is done. Other people will see better ways to do the process, this is good too because you get to learn. Photos are very important for this process.

The forum is a place to ask questions about a process, be it construction or painting, again, photos help enormously. You discover a new process or idea, post it in the forum with pics, spread the knowledge and answer questions.

I am going to post this comment as a new thread for people to learn and discuss.

Dave