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This thread looks like others I have seen in de' past, where (no names will be said) have tried to do self promotion for their products. Either by said person or their right hand flunky. But I agree with what Mike was saying about how when a person starts selling a product quality seems to change over nite for certain individuals I guess I missed something too, seems my lure cavities are by volume not weight, so why would I compare price of plastisol by weight?

Ok, using the name "Alabama Rig" to describe your knockoff is not cool, I can see that being a problem to the owner. But as far as intellectual design of the rig itself, they do not have a leg to stand on. The umbrella rig has been used since the early 60's by striper fisherman on the Right Coast, John Sekora and Gus Potts can take credit for the idea. So they essentially knocked off a design that has been around for close to 50 years and put their little spin on it. Good luck on patenting that!!

No need for a plastic war here, fellas. We've all been "newbies" and "beginners" at one point. I've poured for years, but I still learn from this site all the time! Find the plastic that works for YOU.

first, calling a beginner a "Newbie" i feel is quite derogatory and make it seem like we are all better than they are, especially when you are making assumptions about these beginners, remember we were all beginners at one point. i don't know about you but the first thing i did when i started pouring was ask several companies for a small sample to try, and i made my decision from there, some i paid shipping and others i didn't. would it not be better to suggest asking for samples and trying as many plastisols as possible and forming your own opinion rather than making an opinionated statement like "your better getting x-brand plastic because its idiot proof" ? if someone said that to me when i started i would have been quite p****d off.

I'm just guessing here, but, depending on what you used for building material, you might use a wood rasp or file, or a small hand saw, and drag it along the bait to score it. You might also try putting a thick coat of primer on with a course brush, and let the brush marks make the fur pattern. If the paint is thick enough, it should hold the brush marks. Usually it's the opposite. Anyone who has ever tried to get a smooth finish on a home project with a brush will know what I'm talking about. Hahaha

t-billy, if you've got to add more flourescent coloring to already heated plastic, there's a trick that works everytime. Instead of adding the coloring to the heated plastic, just add it to a little bit of raw plastisol and then add it to the heated plastic. It'll work everytime. On your Chemionics plastisol, do you still have it? Here while back plasticizer (one of the components used to make plastisol) was on a shortage and some companies tried some plasticizers that didn't work well. Plastic not setting up or baits being real oily and since Chemionics is only 40 minutes from your house I can PM you a representative's name. Give them a call and ask them about it. Even if you bought it through another distributor odds are the home company will make it good. Most companies that have been around a long time don't want bad products out there with their name on it. And mistakes happen sometimes, try giving them a chance to correct their mistake and post on how it comes out. Also I'm coming up with the same figure as smallmouthaholic. If I multiply your 11.25 by 5 (gallons) I'm also coming up with $56.25 and I'm figuring per gallon.

no it actually doesnt, unless you greatly over heat it. ive gone through several drums this year and have had no issues what so ever with yellowing. with the ammount of stabilizer they use in the plastic you shouldnt have an issue. would really hate to see you miss inform someone just starting out. I use Calhoun, tried most (except for CCM) and keep going back to Calhoun. is it for everyone? NO. is any plastic for everyone? NO. to tell someone they should use a particular brand as their first because it will work best for them (which really is a preferance kind of thing anyway) is some of the worst advice i have ever heard given out on here. I will be honest, if i tried M-F as my first plastic i wouldnt be pouring still, i find the odour while cooking it unbearable and caused me sevear migranes, i also found it to be VERY oily after molding it. In short, if you are starting out, call everyone of the plastic suppliers and tell them you are just starting and trying to figure out which plastisol will best suit your needs, and if you can get a sample to try. you will have to pay shipping in most cases, but most should be willing to send you a sample, then you can form your own opinion instead of following some one elses.

Hey Kajan, you haven't posted in awhile, hope you're doing alright. The reason I mentioned price by the lb is because outside the hand pour market, all plastisol and components to make plastisol are sold by the lb. If I order two drums of plastic when they repeat my order back to me, they'll tell me I've ordered 880 lbs of plastic instead of two drums. Pretty well the whole industry is based on the price per lb. Matter of fact, that's one of the factors we have to consider in pricing our customer's baits. All of your real big injectors that order anywhere from 20-100 drums call around to find out who has the best price per lb before placing an order. I think that's one reason sometimes mass produced baits can be different from bag to bag. That's some of the reasons for figuring the price per lb. Also it lets you see that some companies charge up to $5 or more per lb to put it into a smaller container that costs less and the shipping is less too. When you take away the cost of the container and the shipping, all you have left is the price of the product. I just think it's nice that anyone new to this hobby understands the cost completely. And me and you both know that no matter who's plastic you're using, just playing around can get expensive. Heck, when I first started out, I think the first 10 gallons of plastic that I used I probably gave all of my baits away.

This is the exact reason why i have not spent a cent of my hard earned money with them, I dont want to associate myself with someone willing to shadily self promote their product "anonymously". there are 2 of our "suppliers" that i have seen do this here and i refuse to buy from either. this is something i have not seen Bear, Bass Tackle, Lure Craft or LureWorks do.

Anybody that wants to ship me free there left over plastic please do . I don't care if it stinks . My dog sleeps in the house . Its a BIG dog . If I can survive a dog fart . I can stand most anything . LOL

Superharmonix, one of your posts was directed towards the people that sell plastic and you said cost was important. A gentleman came on TU and said that one of the highest priced plastisols on the market was a good price, which there are better prices out there. I think you guys just got upset because I just told him what the prices were. I never even mentioned my runners for sale, so how was this thread about me? In your PM to me the other night, you told me that flake, coloring and salt were fillers to make the plastic weigh more, you also said and I quote you "I wish I could get $1.50 per lb for my scrap". In your PM it was nothing but about the price of plastic per lb. You had no problem criticizing my prices, but when I do the same thing, you have a problem with it. I don't get you at all, what are all these bad experiences you've had with all these other companies customer service and why is Caney Creek's better? Since you've used so much plastic and you've had these bad experiences why don't you share them with us? There again, you want people to believe that a company that has only been in business a few months has better customer service than anyone else out there. Much better customer service than all these companies that have been in business for years and years. No, I don't think so, they wouldn't have been in business for years and years if they had poor customer service. And as far as the samples go this is where you start comparing apples to oranges. We don't ask for samples. Companies automatically deliver us samples without asking. Oh and by the way a sample for us is 5 gallons. For the amount of plastic that we use, we've always got companies tryng to get us to switch over, we've even had one that hand delivered the sample and then came back while we run a few thousand baits to test it. We use as much plastic as a lot of the redistributors use. We average 5-10 drums a month. The normal samples sent out by everyone wouldn't even start the plumbing up on my machines. Now if Jason wants to send me 5 gallons of that white gold, I'll be more than glad to test it and give my opinion. You guys are just trying to flood TU. Everytime any other plastisol is mentioned one of you guys are quick to jump in and badmouth it. A couple of times it's happened with people just looking at pictures and not ever actually using the product. Let me ask you this, if I did get a sample from Jason, and it just happened to be an accidentally bad mix and something happened and it accidentally was not quite what it should have been, do you think I should get on TU and tell what a sorry product it was without giving this so called great customer service of Caney Creek a chance to take up for themselves? I've never heard any of you guys that are real active on the Caney Creek forum suggest to a member on TU that they contact the company about the plastic. You guys just jump on here and start badmouthing it and if you go back and read some of the posts on Caney Creek's forum (not yours but a couple of others), you find out some of these experts have only been pouring plastic for about six months, and Jason's not been in business much longer than that. Like I've said and I stand by it man, you PM'd me the other night criticizing my product and pricing, you've just shown me that you're one sided and you have no concern for the new people starting out at TU. The only one that I've heard of having poor customer service is mold makers. I've never once read a post on TU where someone had trouble with plastisol or had a concern about plastisol that when they contacted the company they received it from did not get a quick response. Caney Creek is not the only one with great customer service. Lureworks, Lurecraft, M-F, Bear's Baits all have superb customer service, just as good as Caney Creek. I notice none of you guys ever make this statement either. Again there is nothing wrong with letting the gentleman know that what he thought was a good price was not. And this was not about carolinamike it was about Caney Creek plastic, one of the highest priced plastisols on the market.

Tell me what I said that wasn't true any of you. M-F and Caney Creek are the highest priced plastisols on the market that are available to the hand pour folks right now. I divided the cost of the plastic by 8 for a gallon and by 40 for 5 gallons. You can't argue with the numbers. LC - they charge $4.26 difference to put it in a one gallon container. Lureworks charges $0.53. And Chewy is right with his calculations but M-F charges you $5.26 to put it in a different container. Calhoun's - Bear charges $0.95 and Caney Creek charges $2.45 and they do have free shipping. And all I said was that I find that cutting the cost in half per lb is not right. All it is is a tactic to make you buy more of their product. I suggest to anyone that's new to plastics not to buy any of these, but instead call these companies, ask for samples, you may have to pay shipping for the samples but that's to be expected and then form your own opinion about what you like and what you feel like is most cost efficient for you and then let us all know your results. This will be helpful informative information. PropJunkie did say the price seemed to be good, I see nothing wrong with letting him know that there is other plastic out there priced cheaper. And I see nothing wrong with giving him a head's up on some of the tricks used to push product. DaBehr, your post was great and was very informative and you directly answered the question. Chewy you're absolutely right. If I did retail business you wouldn't have a snowball's chance, but of course if you bought as much plastic as I do you would be getting a good price too, and also if you had the equipment I have. I do not produce product for retail, I produce other companies products which are sold all over the world. Chewy you and a couple of others are real quick to badmouth any other plastic besides Caney Creek. Now let's be realistic here. Caney Creek has only been in business a few months, you don't suggest to anyone to try other plastic, apparently you've tried them all, but you don't talk much about the results of all of them. But yet several people keep coming on here and making the unfair statement that Caney Creeks plastic is better than everyone elses. When it's all personal preference. My post named the two highest priced plastics. These are all posted prices. It's not heresay or opinions, it's the prices that are posted on the websites. To some of you wealthier individuals, price does not matter, but to the average Joe, and especially to a person that is just starting out, I never see you suggest that he get samples from everybody and test it for himself. All I posted about was pricing and of course you're back to product bashing again. We all understand that you're a Caney Creek supporter. But informative helpful information is what this forum is about and people should understand about the prices of plastic as well as about the performance of plastic and should be given an opportunity with the correct information to choose for themselves. I never did mention one company, I mentioned two, I said nothing about the performance again. For you to call other people's products off spec products that settle like shit is again you saying that there's something wrong with these products that people have been using a whole lot longer than Caney Creek has been in business. I have nothing against you. You said give every company a chance to sell product, why don't you practice what you preach? Cormorant, your post was also right on target, you've tried other plastics, you didn't like them and Caney Creek suits your purpose. Again another informative helpful post. Superharmonix, when you PM'd me two nights ago, it was all about the price of plastic per lb, now it seems as though that doesn't matter. You know guys I've seen things like this come up on this forum so many times. A couple of years back some of the old timers were saying Calhoun's was the very best plastic until Dave Alexander (Bear's Baits) started selling Calhoun's. Several people loved another plastic that was sold under a different name and oh it was the best plastic around, when Lureworks cut out the middleman and started selling it for themselves, then there's something wrong with Lureworks plastic. For the ones that's been on here awhile, we see this stuff come and go guys. It just goes to show that it's personal preference. TU has always been a great place to have discussions about different types of plastisol until CCM opened up their business. It seems like the person that's always coming on and badmouthing a plastisol since they've been in business, is always a CCM customer. An inexperienced guy made a statement and asked a question, I tried to be informative and helpful. I'm sorry that some of you don't feel like that the difference in prices of product is as informative as performance. TU's the place to talk about what you like and dislike and why, not to target people personally or to constantly target one company personally. There was nothing wrong with saying what the two most expensive plastics on the market are when it is the facts, and there were several comments made on this thread that were unnecessary, but of course that's just an example of inexperience. I think it would be good for all new people to go back as far as they can and read about all the plastics that are available. Look through the archives and see how many times people change their minds.

Caney Creek plastic and M-F's plastic are the most expensive on the market. If you calculate their gallons per lb Caney Creek comes out to $7.00 per lb and M-F is over $8.00 per lb. The price per lb magically cuts in half when you buy 5 gallons, are gallon jugs that expensive? From what I understand they have excellent customer service and everyone that can afford it seems to like their plastic. There's other companies out there that are selling their plastic for a little over $2 per lb and since this was started about Caney Creek's plastic I won't name any names. I'm not a product basher but in this economy, I'm definitely a price basher. None of the other companies magically cut their price in half per lb when you buy 5 gallons, but to charge $3 or $4 per lb not per gallon but per lb and there's 8 lbs in a gallon, just to repackage the plastisol, in today's economy really how do you justify it? If that much of a price break can be given per lb on a 5 gallon bucket, I don't know to me it just doesn't seem right. To be truthful I've not used Caney Creek plastic, I have used M-F's and everybody else's out on the market, this is just my personal opinion as far as what I think about the pricing. If I was you, I'd look at all the plastisols that are offered, there are several out there that are more economical. Check around on prices, there's 8 lbs to a gallon, 40lbs to a 5 gallon bucket to know what you're getting, you need to calculate everyone's plastic by the price per lb. This will give you an idea on how you stand pricewise. And I've not heard anything negative about Caney Creek's plastic. It just depends whether or not your pockets are deep enough to afford this plastic.

Caney Creek Molds is a top notch company, and the Barnes family go out of their way to provide the best possible service. Everything is done with truly the customer in mind first, and with the utmost amount of honest and humbleness. You will not be disappointed.

made another lure building tutorial about epoxy applying, i guess this is mostly targeted to those who are just starting.

no problemos i think in the next video i might attempt to show how foil is easilly applied with out too much of a hazzle. we'll have to see when i get around to do that.