Nathan

Onlybass is researching "for profit" and "not for profit" filing statis for us..Also I've received some PM's regarding a tierd system for the Association,I think it is a very good Idea.(The following two "Classifications terms" are only used too show the difference in the tiers) "Professional" those who have a valid tax ID# and sell their lures "Hobbyist" Those who essentially do this for their own use Those who are in "Professional " class would get greater discounts because of the Tax#'s. From some of the info. Onlybass has turned up,it seems those "Hobbyist" who sell a few baits on the side would greatly benefit come tax time if they filed for their tax ID #'s and filed necessary IRS forms for tackle making..They would also have added benefits from the Association..Nathan

Happy B-day Lapala!!..Hope your out chasing some fish today!!..Nathan

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Ok guys, The 3 top names are: 1.WLCA World Lure Crafters Assoc. 2.CTCG Custom Tackle crafters Guild 3.AITC Alliance of Independent Tackle Crafters Dean PM'd me a good point...If Rod builders,Float makers..etc. are too be included in the assoc. the word "Tackle" as opposed too "Lure" may need too appear in the name..Just a thought..Nathan

I'll go first.. AITC...Alliance of Independent Tackle Craftsmen

OK guys following is a list of names that has been submitted.You will have until wed. 2:00 pm central too vote.The top 3 names will then be put in a run off,and by Friday at 2:00 pm central we will have a name. Thanks too all who submitted names!! 1. ILMA Intern. Lure Makers Assoc. 2. AILM Assoc. of Independent Lure Makers 3. WLCA World Lure Crafters Assoc. 4.CTCG Custom Tackle Crafters Guild 5. ABMW Assoc of Bait Makers of the World 6. WACLM World Assoc. of Custom Lure Makers 7. WLMA World Lure Makers Assoc. 8. ICFLA Intern. Custom Fishing Lure Assoc. 9. ULCA United Lure Crafters Assoc. 10. NTMA National Tackle Makers Assoc. 11. WLCA World Lure Crafters Assoc. 12. AITC Alliance of Independent Tackle Craftsmen Nathan

OK, As for the Mission statement..KCDANO has voluntered too head that commity.LAPALA,CRANKER,VOLP1 & MILLSRYNO you've shown interst in this area.Please contact KCdano via PM too work on this.It would be nice to have one hammered out by Friday. As for the name..I'm keeping a list,and tomorrow afternoon all put them up,we will have until Wed. too vote..We will take the top 3,and have a run off on Thursday...by friday we will have a name too!! On the name,If we can keep the word "crafter" or "Craftsmen" in it...I think it lets people know they are dealing with individuals,instead of some huge company..It is just a THOUGHT..Nathan

Your right guys..We are trying too kill 3 birds with one stone here...We need a name,so we can possibly use it in the web. addi. and form a mission statement so we know what direction we are heading..Nathan

We are cooking now guys...THANKS!!..Nathan

Cranker,Glad to have you on board..Your right..there is alot to do,so get those sleeves rolled up!!LOL... KCDano..Thanks buddy....I'm trying to form one too...it's easier said than done!!..Nathan

OK ...that was like taking a laxative..we have some movement now!!..First,I'll be glad too take the reigns and keep the ball rolling..I'm fond of the title Grand Poo Baa..LOL...We will have official nominations & elections down the road when we have some infastructure going. First lets get this thing named...here is what we have so far..well keep this open for names until tues. 8/30/05 noon central time.Then I'll compile the names,and voting can start..by next friday we can have a name.. I.C.F.L.A (International Custom Fishing Lure Assoc.) U.L.C.A ( United Lure Crafters Assoc.) N.T.M.A (National Tackle Makers Assoc.) I agree we need a website..I think Ghostbaits said he might be able to help with that..I'm a computer Idiot..So I'm no help there..Anyone else give a hand with that?.. There are other forums out there that have tackle crafter sections..we will want to hit those and announce whats going on when we have the site up...We want input from everyone.. We still need to work on the Mission statement..Any volunteers? I'll be moving this too the DOCKS this afternoon..Nathan

I think a Mission statement is something we need to work on first..I've been doing a little research on the subject..does anyone have some experiance with writing those?...What is our Mission?....Nathan

Onlybass...What is it you want from me???..I can't figure it out through your posts...I'm here inviting input from EVERYBODY to get this off the ground.If you read my last post,I could have gone about this a different way.If you don't want too be part of this,that is fine.If you do,give me something too work with here. Kcdano,you have some good ideas,I'll pull something together..Nathan

Thanks Jake and Jerry, It seems the only thing most have taken from my original post was a "Rating" system....I've pointed out on that and several posts since that was only a suggestion to get the brain storming rolling.. I wish I had nuts and bolts too give you guys on the Association,but that was my purpose for posting..too GET nuts and bolts from everyone so we could build this together.I could have chose to do this "behind closed doors" with a few guys from here,but I don't see that as the right thing to do.20 years from now,and the Association is still going strong,I can say "I helped form that"I thought others here would like to be able to say the same.It should be a Association "of the people by the people and for the people"..(I think I read that somewhere before..LOL) Those of you who have emailed, PM'd or want too help..lets do it...Start posting some nuts and bolts and Ideas now..Nathan

Janns will probably have your best pricing and selection..Nathan

Here are a few other topics we need to give some thought too.... 1. A Name..What about U.L.C.A. (United Lure Crafters Assoc.) 2.We need to prepare a mission statement...If anyone has one from other organizations they belong too,I'd like too read them. 3.Dues...how much should yearly dues be 4.Not for profit filing..does anybody have any experience with that? 5.Classifications..Crankbaits,soft plastics,lead baits,painters? 6.Logo design...I know we have alot of talent out there for that... I really don't see this taking off for a year..but WE have alot of work to do in that years time.... What else guys?..Nathan

Cranker, You didn't come off as a jack-ass at all..you had a concern and you voiced it in a non-confritational manner....I think that the Association will benefit everyone involved,just not those who sell baits.In time,it will give us a little muscle to stand up too the Bagleys,Luhr-jensens etc of the world.If you don't think some of there designers don't visit this site,your kidding yourself. Basstech, I doubt I'll ever be able too paint aswell as that group you mentioned..but it's something too shoot for!! The association's intent isn't meant too divide us,but to bind us.In order for the Association too prosper its members need too aswell. Whatever,and however (and if ever) standards are set,it will be US during these early planning stages with feed back from all who will set them.I doubt you'll have too paint aswell as Tim Hughes too succeed...that would mean 90% of the Association couldn't move forward.There should be minimum standards..there is in everything Onlybass, I don't recall ever meeting you....So too refer too me as egotistacal is a bold statement,and nothing could be further from the truth.Last April I got a chance too spend a few days with some of the best lure crafter and painters in the country..if not the world..none of them were egotistical either,is a matter of fact just the opposite.They were the most humble helpful men you'd ever want too meet. As for what top coat you use,I'm sure Skeeter is too busy building cranks to really care wether you use E-tex,Devcon or super glue for a top coat.A panel would look at craftmenship of the bait.Top coat choices would play no part so long as they are applied correctly. You made two statements which strengthens my arrgument for a association.The first you made referance too purchasing some custom cranks with bubbles in the finish.You said that the builders hired help had probably caused it...again good money paid for poor work...I'm sure the builder didn't know that had taken place... and finally you were referencing someone who was here for a year,and was suddenly a expert...you have too pracatice this craft for longer than that to be considerd a expert.And again you make a character referance about myself,and that individual being similiar in nature..and again I say that is a bold statement for never meeting me,and couldn't be further from the truth.

Westy, Thanks for the offer..at this point ,we are at the brain storming stage.If you have any specific (or general) thoughts..lets hear them..Nathan

There has been confusion on the issue....The only part TU will play in this is giving us a spot on the forum too meet,and I would assume a large part of the membership would come from TU Members...IN NO WAY is TU affiliated in any other way.....the site here,and info contained here would not change. Cranker,the time you've been affiliated here makes no difference...I'm looking for input from everyone!!.In no way are Ideas presented here set in stone...they are ony that,ideas.Without brain storming nothing will come of it. The idea of classifications on skill level,and time building lures is just a thought...It is not meant too divide anyone.Like someone said,we all were newbies at one time.I would think starting out as a novice,and working your way through the ranks would be appealling.I look at it this way...I can build a lure,and show it too my wife.."thats nice dear"..now if I took that same lure,and have a group of guys with some experience look at it,and give it the thumbs up..that means a little more.Do I need this from my peers...NO,but there isn't anyone reading this who doesn't appreciate a pat on the back from someone who knows what they are talking about ... I know I maybe opening a can of worms here,...and there is alot of work ahead too make this work...but as a crankbait builder,it jacks my jaw when someone buys some finished bodies from Janns and hangs hooks on it then calls himself a custom lure builder....I just think it's time for some ground rules..Nathan

Talley,in the beginning the association may not mean much...but down the road it will swing some weight.I kind of look at it this way...If I want a roof put on my house,I'm going too hire someone who knows what he is doing,not someone who saw a house roofed once....The Association will provide STANDARDS that have too be met...What are those standards...I'm not sure yet...thats what the discussion is for. Those standards will need too be set with in each catagorie..(woodbaits,soft plastics,spinnerbaits..etc.) Woodsac,and DJ...Again,a board would need to be formed and ground rules layed out for judging and criteria... The Association is in a emproy form right now..literally everthing needs too be put together....Look at the association as the "Good House Keeping Seal of Approval"..Nathan

I have a topic going in the hardbait forum I'd like your input on..Nathan

I've got a topic going in the hardbait forum I'd like you guys too take alook at,and become involved in..Nathan

This topic has been touched on before,and I think it's time to start moving forward with the process. You guys coming too Missouri in April,I intend on us spending some time on this topic.I can get some ground work done before then. I would like too hear some input from everyone on this topic..either here,PM or email. Some thoughts I've had..again these are just thoughts... 1. Seperate classifications for guys who build wooden lures,soft plastics and wire baits/jigs. 2. Ratings by years experiance,quality of work...beginner,journeyman,expert...etc. This is going to be a BIG undertaking too get this off the ground,but I think it is a important step for us dedicated too this great craft. Jerry has offered a spot here on the forum for us to get together and run the association after it is formed. Lets get some discussion started here..Nathan

Never seen those before....I take it they have a hole through the center..Nathan

Hey Tim, Are these the lipless cranks that have a hole through the center of them?..Nathan