Chip

riverman! I keep mentioning a silane/resin based forumula..... As soon as we lock down the mixture, I'll let yall in on it.... Maybe even an additive to mix with the ETEX! There may be a patent in it for me and a phD buddy of mine... there are possible other applications than baits..... take care Chip

Nat: I purchase devcon 5 min for lips.... For 30 min, I purchase larger qty's from tower hobbies. It is "30 minute CLEAR" I spoke with the tower buyer way back and He said it was Devcon brand. On my initial test in the first part of this thread, I used Devcon 30 min 2 ton For 16hr!: LOL I use ETEX... I do wish it dried sooner..... I am building a much larger grying wheel to accomodate the long dry times and being able to load up more baits. Chip

I agree with you blackjack (and aw yes.. I likum ye baits TOO! - I spent many hours examining your wears) I consult in the space/solar industry where UV damage is paramount with regard to protecting devices. That is one reason I am looking into this new silane/resin UV hardend coating. But, look at baits the sameway I do a golfball, tennisball, etc... they will eventially wear out and be replaced! That the beauty of it! Replaced means $$$$$! Rapala, bomber, etc.... look the same after time. they wear out. you ever seen an expensive titlelist golfball that sat outside for a season...bad stuff! Anyway, dont get me wrong... anything we want to preserve should be preserved properly. Alot of antique baits are yellowed and beat... the ones that were never used still look as if they are very aged. I agree with what you said.... use whatever you want and what makes you (meaning everyone here) happy. I just wanted to report my results! Take care! Chip

I use 5 min devcon for gluing in lips and wires I used the 30 min clear for top coating and now the Envirotex 16 hour! LOL @ 16 hour! Chip

LOL @ Skeeter! I like ye sense of humor (Acetone massage)! The lures set upin six hours, but I turn my wheel for 16 before I take them off.. Terry, A little straight acetone on a rag and then rubbed across the lure to give the new coat something to stick to. Yall take Care! Chip

You can spray, but I would brush it with a 1/2 inch wide flat artist brush Wouldnt Yah!!! One is good, but you can add additional after a brief acetone rub. I never do more than one. 2 tsp... A&B = 4 tsp will cover 4 - 6 lures Good to hear from you Terry! Hope all is good in WVA... I'll be passing through Wheeling next month on my way to the East Coast. Take Care! Chip

Yah... I copyrighted the name... Colors and the shape is difficult or just plain no chance to copyright. Everything looks like a minnow, etc... lol I am not sure about molds, but my molds for plastic are so common looking that it didnt even cross my mind.. $30 dollars to file the application Basic Registrations (Fee to accompany an application and deposit for registration of a claim to copyright) Form TX or Short Form TX $ 30 Form VA or Short Form VA $ 30 Form PA or Short Form PA $ 30 Form SE or Short Form SE $ 30 Form SR $ 30 Chip

Hey Yall! I just released my "C-Bait"! Copyright came in the mail today!! Go ahead! LOL Let me have it for Covering it in Envirotex! Take Care! Chip

1. ETex can be bought at ace hardware and see this link: http://www.eti-usa.com/consum/envtex/envlite.htm 2. While the devcon does look nice going on thick, it also hides surface imperfections. I put my etex on thick and thin (depending on the lure). I dont brush it on sparingly.. I was also very surprised by the delaminations..... but it was the first I have used Devcon on plastic baits... I dont want anyone to get me wrong... I think devcon is a beautiful finish... I used it to get baits quickly out to PROs hands.... but I wont do that anymore.... Most store boughts topcoats are <10% the thickness of a thin Etex coat. One baitmaker here mentioned a sinking bait..... I can tell you EPOXY is very heavy. I used to compete in hand built giant 100% scale remote control airplanes... We stayed as far away from epoxy as we could because of the weight it added to a plane.... Point is that the thinner coats, but still durable, the better as far as weight and balance control.... PS.... Skeeter I like you! please dont shun or beat me up! Yall take care! Chip

Okay here we go again...... I made 20 identical rattle traps using the same method of prep, prime, and paint.... 10 of them were coated with Devcon 30 clear and the other 10 were coated with Envirotex. When complete, they were issued their Gamakatsu hooks and split rings and sent to the field.... I had these lures fished by BASS Federation Fishermen and a fishing show host. Each fisherman received 5 each of the traps. They were fished hard, slammed to the water to remove weeds, bounced off rock and wood structure, etc. Results: Fisher 1, 67 degree water: all 5 devcon lures had spider web type cracks in the finish 1 lure delaminated along a fracture line. All etex lures, with the exception to normal banging marks from being fished hard stoood the test and will be fished again. Fisher 2, 59 - 65 degree water: 2 devcon lure finishes cracked and delaminated... The remaining three had significant damage and cracking in the surface coat. All etex lures, with the exception to normal banging marks from being fished hard stoood the test and will be fished again. _______________________________________________________ My point.... This is only one study, but I have had clients tell me about devcon cracks in the past as well. When it dries in your mixing cup, try and bend the left over... It will crack if thin enough to bend. Envirotex as well as Flexcoat...They bend and stretch and do not crack. _________________________________________________________ I also think that Devcon gives a beautiful finish, I just wish it were more durable... ___________________________________________________________ And finally I am not writing this to prove my Devcon friends wrong and I respect their knowledge and great views. I am only reporting what I found to be true in my experiment. ______________________________________________________ I metioned that I am studying a 90 second (BELT OVEN PASS THROUGH) dry time silane/resin based coating that is flexible and waterproof. It is not commercially available yet, but I will report what I find there. JMO Yall take care! and watch out the pie throwing is about to start!!! LOL Chip

You can go to a hardware store, hobby shop, etc... You want to buy: DEVCON 30 Minute Epoxy Clear Chip

Hey Skeeter.... Yes... everything really took off after Christmas and with the introduction of a healthly offering of plastics.... I still only hand carve 20 - 25 wood lures a month. The balance is plastic. See my love for envirotex.....LOL $50.00 per gallon or $9.00 a pint for the Devcon. Thats why I am looking at the Silane/Resin based coating. I can dry it @ 100 degrees F in a one minute pass through the dry oven and it is water hard.... Chip

Off the top of my head, roughly 5 lures ounce of Etex that is 1760 lures. for 2 3/4 gallons... not count waste in the mixing cup ....... so subtract 100 lures..... = 1660 lures I dont have my ship sheets right now, but that adds to about: 415 lures per month..... which is about right on +/- 20... Chip

WHaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? Would I try to convince anyone to come over the the "Envirotex" Dark side Hans solo?????? Darth "Chip" Vador": "Luke, I'm your father.....Come over to the Envirotex" Chip To be honest, I am talking to a coatings company right now about a silane/resin based clearcoat that is UV hardend and sprayable!!! HMMmmmmmm.... want to know my secret?????? this stuff is used on space solar cells to prevent damage and uv discoloration that would damage the cell....... I came across this material through an R&D project I am working on for space cell development for NASA and the government. Chip

Yah, but I dont have thirty gallons anymore due to use.... probably only 27 and a 1/4......... LOL!!! you know I meant this in jest! Its a good friday afternoon and I knew this would get a "Weeks End Rise" Outta this crowd! I guess its "Pick your Poison" LOL: ENV or Dev..... Take care!! Chip

Aw I am set up for this..... (Nobody laugh!) Hey Brian! I guess you working with a single bait at a time..... to speed up the dry so you dont have to hand turn for 18 hours... Buy some 30 minute DEVCON "CLEAR". mix it in equal parts and brush it on your bait. If you are hand turning, you will need to turn the bait for about 30 minutes before the epoxy sets up enough to set the bait in a tray.... I use exacto blade handles to hold my baits. You could drill a hole in a block to hold it in after it sets up. Then about 8 to 12 hours later you can handle it. You can use acetone to clean the epoxy from the brush. A dremel is great for trimming the epoxy away from the lure eyes...... Now when you get real confident, you email me and I'll tell you about using envirotex... Take care and good luck! Chip

You all know that I am a Safety Engineer and Chemical Hygienist....... I have recently determined by reading the replies on this board that Devcon 30 clear must have an additive to create uncontrolled obiediance and committed mind control on the purchasers after using it....... HMMM Devcon Poisoning maybe?????? I hear that a good dose of Envirotex on your next bait is the only cure for this mind controlling desease...... I wish all you Devcon addicts a speedy recovery Get Well Soon! Chip My name is "Chip" and I endorse the Message!

Great Job Wade! Chip

Sean: I was checking your site....... and it appears your are from Davison???? If thats the case, I am down in Clarkston... bout 40 min or less... Lets go fishing? Chip

You bring yourself and I've got the water, boat, rods and such! chip

THANKS SHAWN! I was going to ask you about that! Man, I would love to spend a day pickin your brain on websites, painting skill, and the such! I appriciate your input and I am very jealous of your website! Chip

Man Coley! Thay all look Great!!!! I especially like the bottom black one! Chip

Aw... skeeter aint convincing Me! LOL ... I needed these to dry to hit the mailbox for next day delivery. I just fell to temptation! LOL Chip

I figured someone would pick that up....I read Artbrushes post on decals and I have ordered the paper..... I did that with photoshop to see if Joel wants them signed or the decal on the production baits? Here is his brief bio: http://www.bassdozer.com/bass-pro-team.shtml I am also negotiating with Ron Colby on the BD Page... I actually perfer the signed lures... Looks more personable! What do you think... signed or decal? Chip [/url]

Hey all! These are some new Rattlin' Shads that I made for Joel St. Germain to Tourney Fish this weekend: and YES!!!!! Skeeter! I used Devcon because I needed them to dry! LOL Take Care! Chip [/img]