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Is better or supposed to be better? I have not seen a single report on the Ultrasol. Do you have one or have you tried yet? Buy some and let us know. Also, it is not $10 more... $95 for Pourasol, $129 for Ultrasol... Posted prices.... Ultrasol also is not cheaper than all the others listed especially when you add in shipping to your door. Many forget to calculate shipping but it is a cost to the final product. LC is $132 for 5 gallons, Calhoun's 5 gallon on Bear's site is only $114.50. CCM includes their shipping into the 5 gallon cost and it is cheaper than LC for me when shipping is added to LC. I will also say that I am not look for cheaper myself. I want a product that performs in the process I use and makes superior soft plastics. If price was the only deal, I could go directly to the Calhoun's plant here in GA and get a 55 gallon drum for $200- $300 less than anything you see advertised out there. Dirt cheap. Problem is, the plastisol does not perform well for me. Jim

OOOps, thought it ws Bruce that posted on this thread and it was not. My apologies for that. I can email him this full thread. Jim

Back to the issue, I tried mine with 1/2 power last night and I did see some improvement when using medium. (Can't say what it improved though now!!). Might have to go hunt a Panasonic down or just use pot. Jim

If this is true Mike, then really this thread should have been deleted according to the rules of the forum. This is forum for technical discussion . When you start your post, you get this message. This really would allow anyone to say, Did you see that on Joe Blow's website they added all these new products? In addition, if you review the post well, you will see that I was not the person that rasied the bubble issue at all. The question was asked by a member other than me. I just have added my comments as asked or after using the plastic. I have also made comments on the superior customer service I received. I like the soft as posted and as posted, I might even use it consitantly. Please be sure to call all the others out that have mentioned the bubbling issue or other issues in this post. Jim

Not trying to be rude Mike but apparently didn't read all the posts, only the ones you apparently wanted to read. I did post how I liked the soft after I recieved it. The exact post is below in bold. Please re-read it for your information. The full post is in this thread if you need to re-visit it. Seems you are very biased in your reports on this companies products since they have helped you so much in the past. No harm there but the issue is the issue. Mike, have you cooked any of the Pourasol blends in a microwave recently????????? If not, do it and see what you get. Also, I have not contacted Bruce. He posted on this thread early on and therefore should have access to read all this info. I am not sure what copying and pasting my comments to an email will do over him just logging back onto this thread and reading it. He would also be able to see the comments from others regarding the bubble issue and all other comments. He can get a full picture that way. I am not bashing the company at all and understand they have helped you and others greatly. That is good. Start another thread on that then. This thread is specifically about the plastisol and its performance. I have only posted what I have seen. Sorry it has not been to your liking but it is factual. I am a fair person and I am calling it exactly like I see it. Any doubts and I can video the full heating process and a picture of the cup when complete. Be glad to cook other plastisol in the microwave at the same time for a full visual comparision. Hell, I'll have my wife cook them so no foul play can be called. Don't mind you calling me out Mike but please get everything stright prior to posting what I did and didn't do. Jim Posted 07 July 2011 - 09:36 AM I finally tried the Soft (Pourasol) and will say I was very pleasantly surprised. No microbubbles seen. Very soft and the baits are not sticky when cooled. Smoke was minimal for sure. I believe I will use the soft after a few more "on-the-water" tests.

PS Vodkaman (Dave) came up with idea for using RTV as an adapter. That thread was a good read if you go back and find it. Jim

You are correct Rick. In the end, I found that the gasket was to air tight and caused me to push to much plastic in, splitting the mold in half with plastisol. Without it, I can see when the mold fills and stop pushing. Jim

Don't sell POP short. You can have production baits out of POP molds for sure. You will be teaching me new tricks soon I am sure!!!!!!! Jim

It is a good color but not really peanut butter as we are used to for baits. Brown will make the LC peanut butter more of a tan color as you are thinking. I like straight peanut butter for this..... Jim

Hey bud, I'll give you $60... Send me a paypal invoice to jim@ghostbaits.com if you still have the mold... Jim

Here you go. Picture included for refence as well... Peanut Butter & Jelly Top: 4oz 8 drops LC pumpkinseed, 4 drops of MF brown, pinch medium black flake Bottom: 4oz 10 drops of LC black grape, 1 drops of LC red dash tiny purple The LC Peanut Butter is a nice color but is to yellow for me.... Jim

I inject some pop molds and an airtight seal is not required. You are correct in assuming that if you apply to much pressure, you are going to at least get plastic everywhere and may actually crack your mold or at least get plastic on the uncoated surface between the mold halves (PITA!!!!). Do not look for a perfect seal at the sprue area or at where the halves meet. With aluminum, you can apply great pressure in holding the mold halves together with clamps or nuts/bolts. POP obviously is not going to take that kind of pressure. Go slow and easy and you molds will fill without issue. Check this POP injection bait.... Even with the smallest appendages and tiny hairs on the claws, the plastic makes it will the smallest amount of pressure on injector. Jim

I would look at using either M-F Pearlescent or instead of adding all blue, sub in some pearl smoke blue from M-F. I think the pearlescent is the ticket though.... Jim PS Pearl white powder will work too....

I have a GE and can adjust my power. I think if mine is 1150 watts and his is 800 watts, we will still be heating differently so that is why I asked the wattage. My 1150 watt unit will heat at shorter times than the older 800 watt I have. Almost a full 30 seconds. That 800 watt one doesn't adjust power though.... Jim

What is 1/2 power??? Wattage... Jim

I hear you Red. Just seems to me if you intend to enter a market, you do a little research on the market and test your product with folks in the market and the way they are using the product. Microwaving is no secret techinque. The CCM plastisol was formulated for the microwave exclusively I am told. Since the heating is so extreme, they thought the plastisol would work even better if a pot or whatever is used. The chemists were correct. Like I say, a newby would give up if they got results I did as they would not know what to do. Same thing might happen with new customers if they don't change formula or just recommend microwave is not best choice for heating. Another finding is that if you use a larger amount in the microwave, you get less microbubbles per volume. I heated up a 4 cup amount, in a similar fashion to the way I heat a 1 cup deal, and was surprised to not see a tremondous amount of microbubbles. So volume in the microwave may eliminate some of this issue... Jim

I can post mine tomorrow as well.... Jim

There is a plastisol available that works with microwave wattages that you can currently buy. It was tested on them to be sure. LC works as well. I have used M-F in several different microwaves without issue as well. Last plastisol I tested was built on the premise that it had to perform in the microwave first as the other slow heat methods are easy on the plastisols. They just looked at it a little different. Like Frank said, they may need more knowledge on what hand pouring is about. Hand injection also.. I could use pans and a hotplate but that is not how I like to hand pour. Why should I switch my method? Just like with hand injection, the multiple options allow each person to use what they feel comfortable using. Hand pour is no different. Plus, if you have many pyrex cups and a good microwave, what is the motivation to get rid of that stuff and buy the pans and hot plate? I think there are still some doing the pan and hot plate method but not many. Microwave and pyrex is simpler with less chance of burning plastisol, especially if you are new. I feel like as long as the heat source is slow, the microbubbles would not be an issue on the hotplate. Jim

This isn't to hammer anyone, just to give unbiased, factual information on the products performance when I use it. Others can give their findings if they want. Mind you, I only have Pourasol, not any of the other types. I wanted the hand pour stuff for testing and potential use. Others may be using the Injectasol or other stuff and so my observations would not apply. Jim

10-4 Frank. Not trying to nit-pick them either Red. If I was a guy just going to make some baits and I bought some plastic to cook and it bubbled all up when I cooked it in my microwave, I'd be pissed and feel like I got ripped off. I might give up. How do you know not to use the stuff certain ways if there isn't info out there on the products? Its not nit-picking, it is facts on the ground of what happens. I heat my current plastisol for 1:30 to 2 minutes. They just need to get a microwave and test their stuff. They will see what we are seeing. Hard to put a product out their prior to testing it the way people might or will be using it I think. If I wanted to get into the saltwater market, I would test baits, colors, etc prior to approaching any customers. I just see it happenning backwards. Just me though.... All that said, I have soft, medium and hard LureWorks plastisol in my shop. 5 gallons of each... Jim

I agree but I am just going back to the actual, original issue. The products (pourasol) doesn't heat in the microwave without some or a bunch of micro-bubbles. It is difficult for me to wait on those bubbles to clear or rise, even if there are only hundreds and not thousands. That is just me though and some may be willing to wait. Again, plastisol comes down to what you are looking for and what you expect out of the product. I use the microwave and expect the product to perform in the microwave for my use or I get a product that does. Not trying to be nasty or put down the company, people or anything, just putting info out there in case folks are considering the products for microwave use. You may get something other than what you expected. Jim

100% True... Sorry, not what I meant but that is what I typed. I was really responding to the comment that Spike It wants to get into the "hand pour" market now. That is a different but similar market to the hand injection market. Heating of the plastic in the microwave is the issue. You are correct!!!!!! I hope everyone that has/is having this same issue will take a moment to send Spike-It an email. Doubt much will occur if a single person expresses an issue. Jim PS Does anyone have an email to contact these folks?

This forum is to explore products and solutions related to hand pouring though, right? Without asking if others are seeing the issue, how could we know? I venture to say most are not hand pouring anyway so that would rule most out in the conversation unless you are taking hand injection as hand pouring. That should not be a premise. I will email and/or call someone at Lureworks and tell them their plastisol forms microbubbles when heated in the microwave. I will await a solution after reporting. Jim

Regardless of how a microwave cooks, the manufacturer could develop a product that is conducive to use in the microwave if they wanted to. Many have already. This is how or why many products are adopted or not adopted in our marketplace. Ease of use. I do not know how many out there even hand pour or use a microwave but if the true hand pour market is a target, the product will have include and consider the ease of use in the microwave or little adoption will occur. Time is money in hand pouring for sure... Any delay, regardless of what it is from, is significant. Product cost will help market penetration initially however long term, ease of use will overcome this. Just comes down to changing the formula a bit and going forward. Simple in-house testing is available to ensure it would work. Just my opinion though. We will see..... Jim

It just seems like to big of a hassle to continue to cook liker that, Instead of a 2 minute and pour, I would have almost 4-5 minutes in cooking, stirring, waiting, etc... No other plastisols react this way. No others need to be stirred when still in the raw form or heated so slowly. In addition, stirring uncooked plastic is/can be a hazard as you don't want that uncooked stuff on your skin or to be discarded in the trash. It contains phalates which have been banned in children's cup, toys etc. Directly on your skin is direct absorption. Gotta be a lot worse than eating a plastic cup as you are getting a direct shot of the raw product. Clean-up is messy with uncooked plastic also. Just not anywhere ideal. Anyway, seems this stuff is made for injection more so than hand pouring and not made with microwave users in mind. A friendlier product would sell better. The soft is tolerable but after that the hassle it to great for me as a user of the microwave. Jim