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Only can control what I do. The raw plastisol is far worse a contaminant than the finished product. In fact, on the MSDS it states that the reminant product can be heated in a microwave and discarded in the garbage in small amounts. Jim

Upon further review and advise from a fellow pourer, all empty containers should go to any oil recycle facility. Because I live outside of a very small town, I am going to have to bring mine to the designated area. Fee will only be $1.50 per container. I certainly can live with that vs worrying about contaminating the environment. Jim

Happened to get into a conversation with a guy at our local garbage disposal area yesterday. He wanted to keep a few of my 5 gallon buckets for use on the farm. I quickly told him that they would not be something that should be re-used (as stated on the buckets) as the contents could be harmful. How is everyone discarding these as excess plastic should not be allowed into the ground or potentially contaminating water supplies? As a result, I can no longer discard these at the household garbage area and have to take them to a specific place for disposal. And yes, there is a fee to me.... I am worried that at some point, someone may get taken to the wood shed and fined for discarding potentially hazardous liquid in routine garbage areas. Any thoughts????? Jim

Many of the scrapbooking glitters will withstand the heat and the colors are all over the map. Crazy good! Flip side is, many are far more expensive when you do the map and the sizes are generally 0.008 and 0.015 (or around there). Stampendous brand is another that works well. Glad my sister is BIG into scrapbooking!!!! Jim

Second person (Randy from Hawg Pours said soft was GREAT!!!!) I have gotten good info on the soft. Little bubbles and hardly any smoke/smell. Super clear. I will be interested to hear your take on the medium. As the "hardness" has progressed, the bubbles have gotten much worse. Smell/smoke also. Not sure what I am cooking off on the med and hard but it sure bubbles up lots. Thanks again for information. Jim

Well, the twinjector set-up gives you perfect laminates as they depress at the same time no matter what (you can loosen or take them apart if you want) whereas the seperate injectors will get close but it will depend more on you. Advantage of the seperate is that you can use the injectors for single colors easier where the twinjector is tougher to use for a single color. I actually use the twinjector for my laminates and a seperate injector for my single color runs. Not sure you can go wrong either way but the twinjector is pretty darn good! Jim

Looking good Cliff. I think the bubble issue has something to do with the hardener as I can cook the medium in my microwave with less bubbles than the hard version. Guessing the soft would be even less. I have gotten to where I cook an 8oz for 1 minute, then 30 seconds, stir, then 30 seconds, stir and then another 20 seconds. Add color and glitter, stir, heat another 15-20 seconds, let bubbles get gone and add scent, stir and pour. Still a little to much work for 1 cup of plastic. Also, be sure to get the soft pack settling off of the bottom of the jug well. It will affect your final baits. I do like how "quick" this plastisol cures! Jim

LOL Dave!!! Once again Gary, you have shown that you can go "old school" and get GREAT results!!!!!! (Not calling you old by any means!!!) Great to see that just when we think things have come so far, they really haven't. Super work and craftsmanship!!! Jim

LOL!!! Some plastisols are Cadillacs and Lexus as well. Don't be fooled as you can use less expensive and more expensive ingredients. Proof would be that Lureworks offers a more expensive product in the Ultrasol. Better, more expensive resins cost more. You do get what you pay for in most products. Plastisol is no different. I agree the middle guy takes his. So do we and everybody else that is in business. Try out all the brands. You'll settle on one or keep what you are using. Price is not everything for sure. Jim

Lol... Pow, I think guys were just trying to get a handle on what higher quantities will cost. Obviously extrapolating out the cost like that doesn't fly. I am sure we will see prices soon enough. Jim

Sorry, I meant bubbles in the microwave. I don't get them in my pot either. I decided to keep the plastic rather than sell it. Just using it to test new baits/colors, etc. Jim

Pow.... It is not from any of those companies listed. I did ask that as I wasn't interested in a plastic I already had used. He took it to a checmical company and had them make a new product. You can look on his forum and I think he does say that somewhere in the topic of new plastic. Jim

Well since I was appointed as the representative of CCM (promotion got me nothing more than my current corner office and company vehicle... LOL)... JK!!!! Seriously, that is a good point and there was no claim of consitency from me. I had one pint to test. Only time will tell on that point. I can only tell you what I tested and that is listed. The price for more than 1 gallon (and less than 1 gallon) has not been listed on their site yet. I guess we will see soon enough. I do know that this is not a Spike-It product but was developed by an independent chemical company. I was told that the litmus test was, will it perform in the microwave. No bubbles, low smoke, little yellowing and dry to touch baits when finished.The pots and machines are easy once the microwave is accomplished. They heat slower and easier. Time will tell as good products sell themselves. From reading the post in this thread, it seems Jason is using this 1 gallon start up to get the product out and let folks see what they think. Jim

I have yet to hear from one individual that is not having bubble issues. Please tell me the half that is not having these issues so I can get in touch with them for how they heated. I am in no way discouraging others from using this plastic. To each his own. If you can deal with the bubbles, knock yourself out. I can't see using it and think that my customers will notice the change quickly. The reason there is choices in plastisol and other stuff is that we all get to make our own decisions. Jim

Tim: Unlike others that post on this forum, I DO NOT represent anyone or anything. I do not represent CCM!!! If I did, I would have put the name of the plastic in the title and then on and on. I didn't mention the name until asked!!! I merely tested some plastisol as other did. I guess I was the only one willing to share my results. Sorry Tim, when I see misleading or attempted misleading info posted, I call it out. When I see posts "dumbing down" the issue, I call them out. I was clear from the beginning, I did not know any costs. I still don't. I have asked many times though as I am interested. Even if I knew costs, my purpose was to give the results of the plastic, not promote the sale. It was others that started with the comparative costs, none of which had any basis at all. There is loooong list of posts in this thread comparing this to that with costs. I am not an idiot and neither are the members here. I doubt that anyone that has a brain thought the costs would just be multiplied out, yet that was stated over and over again. Why? Because other do respresent other companies??? Don't know, don't care. Untrue though... Forgive me if I offended you as I did not direct that comment at an individual but merely the misleading information that was being spouted regarding costs. The assumptions made offend me! Again, I don't work for, represent or in any way receive anything from CCM. When I see good stuff, I talk about it. When it is sub par, I say that. Always have, always will. For what it is worth Tim, my "flavor of the month" is still M-F and LC plastisol. Been using them for all the years I have poured except the first. Used Clahoun's then. Go back and search the posts from many year's ago, I have always talked highly of M-F's virtue's. This plastisol is good stuff and I wish i would not have brought it to anyone's attention. Buy a gallon and test it yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or don't, I could care less. Jim

PS More I read previous posts, more I think that some must think we are all morons or can't do simple math. If this plastisol is as expensive as you all have calculated (will be fun to revisit this when the actaul cost comes out), no one will buy it. Period. I think we all are very conscience of price and would just ignore the products that were to expensive. Gives us some credit for having the ability to think. Ya'll are acting like our goverment now! Jim

Mike: That is M-F's price per gallon on their site. A 55 gallon drum is not that much per their site. Whay can't everyone compare a 1 gallon cost to 1 gallon cost of the prices listed and wait until the guy puts out his prices. On the hand pours at .10 to .15 each, HUH???????????? I get near $1 each on some baits??? I don't have any idea where you get a price like that. Nobody only gets that price. Maybe I don't understand you. On the smell, I'd be glad to send you the resulting baits. They have a VERY STRONG smelling plastic like smell. Maybe it goes away after sometime but I also can't wait for weeks for the smell to go away. Time is money with anything but especially hand pouring. An extra 2-5 minutes per cup wastes hours per month and more per year. I'll do the math is needed to show the exact costs but have times the cups for bubbles and extra manipulation on heating. Again, I am not saying everyone needs to buy this. I was just reporting my results for the plastic. It is the best I have used in the microwave. The ability to just pour it out and not have to manipulate the plastic prior to using (scraping, mixing, etc) is a big bonus as well. Jim

Mike: I can tell you for fact I did not shake, jiggle or whatever to introduce bubbles. It happens when you heat this plastisol in the mic. Additional cooking manipulation is just extra time added on (=money). I aggree with you on the customer service however disagree on your assertion that it would be so much more economical. It takes right at 7 minutes get rid of the bubbles with a single 8 oz cup. I can have almost 2 cups completed by then with a non-bubbled plastic. If I take that out over a day, time waiting equals big money. Then take it out over a week, month year. Not saving any money at all. In fact, it costs more over the other brands. The other issue is the baits have a resulting smell that is far more stronger than any other plastisol. That equals more cost in scent or less customers as that will definitely turn off the buyer (probably not the fish). BTW, pourasoul is less ($128 to my door vs $168 LC) but ultrasol ($156 vs $168 LC) is the virtually the same cost as anything out there. I think my customers deserve the best baits I can make them and they trust me to decide on what plastisol does that. I stack them up side by side, list pros, cons, costs (including prep times such as scraping, mixing, etc). To each his own but the cost of the jugs to your door is NOT the total cost of use for sure! Jim

If so, we all would have made plenty of money now as the others (LC, M-F) cost even more per gallon. They should have even paid for our molds Richard. And, we have been paying that for their plastic for years now. Everyone needs to go check the costs before attacking this offer. I understand most buy 5 gallons or more like I do. I just compared 1 gallon to 1 gallon prices though as that is apples to apples vs the apples to oranges everyone is doing now. I think if you haven't tried it, you should before knocking it. If it comes down to cost, everyone should be buying as this is almost 1/2 of M-F's cost/gallon and almost $30 less than LC's by the gallon. Jim

Current price of LC gallon (from website) $60.50 + shipping around $17 = $77.50 Current price of M-F gallon (from website) $68.50 + shipping around $17 = $85.50 Both more than what the quoted cost was for the 1 gallon CC??!! I use them both currently so why wouldn't I want to use something that is less cost and far superior. Not sure everyone has gone around and looked at prices lately so there you go. If you extrapolate these out, see what you get for a drum???!!! Obviously there will be a cost break on the larger amounts or he will not sell any plastic. Give everyone credit, they shop around on price as well as quality. Bottom line to me is this, I no longer spend time (=money), stirring plastic everytime in need to cook, waiting for bubbles to dissapait (=money), or taking back packs of baits that have some weird chemical smell after several months (=money). This plastic is good enough to sel, itself for sure. Customers will love not smelling nasty plastic smell or a huge blast of garlic (to hide the weird smell of the resulting baits). I have yet to get a quote on larger amounts but have been told it will be extrmely close to what a 5 gallon of M-F, LC or Lureworks Ultrasol costs to your door. My last 5 gallons of LC was right at $164 to my door. If I can get this stuff for that much to my door, I'll buy in a seconds as I will spend time pouring, not mixing. Jim

Caney Creek Crystal Clear Plastisol Jim

I tested the medium in my presto pot and my microwave. I did not have a lot of sample but I used the plastic in my pot (after heating it from raw in the pot) after 15 minutes and I did not notice yellowing in the resulting baits. The resulting baits did float (I did not add any glitter or salt to these baits). I can post pictures of the baits I made if anyone is interested. Just for the sake of noting the spectacular clarity of the baits. As a matter of fact, I can post a picture in the gallery of clear baits made with M-F, Lureworks, LC and this new stuff if desired. This would just show the clarity of the bait vs others. Jim

Well, after years of using every different plastisol out there, I finally cooked some that was as close to perfect as I have seen. It does have all the characteristics needed for hand pourers and hand injectors alike. I tested medium. The "herdness" of my resulting baits was between that of M-F's medium and LC's 502, closer to M-F. Great for swims and flipping baits but not to tough. Even big worms were really good. I fished all the baits already and can confirm the action. This is NOT an advertisement or any deal to get anyone to buy anything as I tested the plastisol the week before last and could have posted results then. I also was not the only person to test, just one of many that ended up getting samples for testing. Here were my results sent back to the distributor: 8oz cup of medium plastisol: Heat time (in microwave on high, 1100 watt): 2minutes 8 seconds. Color: colorless Clarity: no bubbles, extremely clear Fumes/smoke: very little fumes or smoke Resulting baits have a "dry" vs oily or slimmy feel. Baits were "set-up" within minutes or before removed from molds. Appeared to be a very slight soft packing that was mixed by very light rotation of jug. No remnants of packing on jug bottom after 3 complete rotations. I am not sure if the distributor is completely ready to start selling but I have word that about 2 weeks out. I do not have any idea of costs yet as well. Believe me, I have asked plenty of times!!!!! I post this to give hope to others hope that there is a plastisol that can work without the stirring, scraping, special cooking etc. Jim PS If anyone else on the forum tested this plastisol, please post up your impressions as I have no idea how other results were. I would like to hear from others that may have tested the soft version.

Not to hijack this thread but FINALLY, there will be that plastic. 2 weeks and it will be out. Many have tested it with great success in pots, microwave, on stoves, etc. No hard packing, no bubbles, clear when cooked, hard to yellow, low fumes/smoke, no oily bait when done, no bait set-up time, and no stinky plastic smell to bait when complete. I will start a new thread on this... Jim

I do and I LOVE it!!!! Jim