LaPala

Top is Evergreen Amazon, can't recall who painted it.

It's all just for fun and maybe all of us learn a few more lures in the process. Close enough should be okay but give an exact technical as you reveal. (This means you've gotta know the lure you post LOL) Over to you KcDano. PS: I've gotta win one soon I've got a few brain twisters with me

Right but not exact. It's Rapala Shallow FatRap SFR. Okay your turn rjbass.

Have some fun guys/gals? Lets play "Guess the lure" Rules: A person post picture of a lure (to be fair don't post itty-bitty pics pls), the first one who got the Manufacturer and Name of the lure right gets to post the next lure for us to guess. Game? Let me start first with an easy one: Who made me and what am i called?

Pete, Maybe if someone start a thread on color we could go to some length about it. Lets keep this to action or color. There will always be different opinions about this as we are also talking about different base conditions. Clarity of water, sunny or cloudy day, target fish species,...etc etc. We could do it this way maybe we'd get more conclusive answers. Action or Color or Both? 1. Gin clear water, sunny day, man made dam, fishing for bass 2. Gin clear water, sunny day, river system, fishing for walleye 3.Murky water, overcast, man made 1 acre pond, fishing for catfish . . ..... and so on and so on

Happy B'day Nova. Hope you b'day cake is not splattered with SP

Swede, weren't that suppose to be our little secret? I hint at it and you let the cat out of the bag.

Okay, I can't really let this subject go LOL Look at the sense a fish has to help it forage: 1. Lateral line 2. Sight 3. Smell 4. Hearing The lateral line senses vibrations so that'd be the action of our lures. Vibration comes from the moving lure, they can be high or low frequency. Rattles create sound and sound is a vibration too, so fishes actually hear and feel sound. Fishes see too, so what is the overwhelming reason to say color doesn't play a role at all to attract the fish. By color we would be implying anything that attracts the fishes eye-sight --color, flash, silhouette, and think deeper --- color is represented by different wavelengths of light. We human see a very limited portion of it. Now can fishes see into the infra zone or the ultra-violet zone. Have anyone experimented with these colors? Unless u're fishing blind fishes, then you can't omit the importance of color. So I'd like to reemphasize my point earlier. If we make a lure, we want to take advantage of all the senses a fish has and not be disillusioned with just accomplishing a good action. A good lure will be encompassing all of the above. (I didn't mention smell, well just slap some scent onto ur lures if you wanna cover that too)

One more thing; Ever been out fishing with friend and both of you are using the same type of lure just different color patterns. Can you explain why a particular color pattern will either catch more or the only color catching them? This happen a lot to me. On a trip someone catches the first fish, the 1st question asked will be, "What color?" Changing never fails me. Even if i just change to the same color on a different type of lure.

It's for the satisfaction of knowing the why your lure is doing something. I'll still have to add, built a killer action then paint it so you'll attract the fish even more. I still insist all the factors go hand in hand for that holy grail we are all looking for. Cramp in every detail and advantage u can will always be my principle for building the next lure. This is exactly what DIY should be make it better that production stuff cause we do not have to think about the time & $$ involved, no bottom line to take care off. Ours is just to have fun and catch fish better.

rofish, I haven't been selling my lures yet but when I do I'll keep that in mind

I am surprised a tackle making forum can have so many that go for action and just discounts color as the inferior factor. I'd say both, else why do i bother to paint the lures i make? Put it another way; I'm making my own lure to improve my catching ability, so why would i not put in all the catching criteria that would help me? Even catching the fisherman has a psychological effect that will give him more confidence to fish that lure harder, lure in water longer = more probability of it catching a fish. So I say both and would add a 3rd -- carved details too

Welcome to the Hobby seahorse. Be fore-warned that the hobby can turn into an addiction; subsequently the ones u made yourself to loose in the weeds are more expensive than store bought stuff.

Husky the king of foamies should speak here. Search the forum for foam lure threads.

You guys are on the right track. The fun of making your own lures is getting it to perform as you want it to, suited to local fish preferences. And it is not to reproduce what commercial lure is doing, well unless that is exactly what u want. A pencil bait basically does all of the the following, zigzag, glide and side to side leaning. Plus some can be teased to "jump" out of the water just like a spooked baitfish. Zigzag and glide would depend on lure shape (especially the underbody rocker) and weight placement. To easily recognize the characteristic action the lure will do; observe the angle it is sitting in the water at rest. Higher angles, tighter shorter zig-zag, less more glide. What we want is a balance btw the glide and zig-zag. Side to side lean can be enhanced with a movable (sideways) close-to-mid counter-balance weight placement. Just keep on tweaking until u get ur perfect combination. Good lure making.

The original sammy was sumlures http://www.sumlures.co.jp/

Well I'm back now, care to start a BBQ? It was a long and arduous fight for my liberation from the kidnappers; ultimately righteous triumphs and release secured just as long as I do not talk to them anymore.

Thanks Vodka. I actually slept through last night LOL

Read A brief History here: http://www.fishdecoy.com/history.html, from http://www.fishdecoy.com/

I am 100% with what Jed said. Unless ur building is 100% consistent (okay 98.99%) with your CAD designed & modeled lure it doesn't makes sense to mathematically derive what you want to built. Mathematical model can help u understand how a lure works and explain it empirically but that is not the only way. And as i mentioned in page 1, how do you determine how the fish will like it based on mathematics? Does a 20 cycle per minute lure work better than a 15 cycle lure? I can built a lure; test it in water and calculate the cycles with stop motion photography faster than I can draw a 3D model & run all the calculation and set all the preset parameters in a fluid flow analysis. Plus with 3D modeling you'll have to built the prototype model too. eventually Handmade lures can be looked at as functional art and should at least be a notch above production lures. Else how would you justify not going the easy way out & buy production lures and/or buy & tweak. You might say I can mold my lures too but catch 22 will be the accuracy translated from your CAD model too. Most of the available CAD/CAM and prototyping machines are way beyond the means of an average hobby lure maker. Even with CNC, it remains if the machine has the tolerance to cut what you draw. A lot of times, production is a trade off between ease of production & what is envisioned. Multi part & multi mold is just introducing increasing errors in your production. PS: Anyone done a detail lure with CNC? I did try once and the time spent on drawing the 3d wire mesh - 16hrs; actually cutting on the CNC machine for both sides on a 21/4" lure actually took 8 hrs with 5 change of tool bits. Turns out to be a dud too. Worth the time spent? (I didn't mention the hours spent learning the 3D modeling software & translation of model to CNC g-code either) YA maybe I can market the lure as Computationally Optimized, would you buy it?