I see a lot of unhappy campers here, and I may some people off, but that is not my intent. First of all I see someone ordered 4000 eyes from Stamina. Why would you order that many from them when they are not the distributor? What's the matter with WTP. They make all the eyes, and they have literally 100's of sizes and colors in stock. Also they are cheaper than Stamina. Lot of you guys complain that they are slow. This must be an internet problem, cause I always get my order in 2-3 days, however I always call my order in and talk to someone. Lot of you guys complain that they are out of stock. If you call your order in, you can ask all these questions up front. I do and they always check for me to see if it's on hand. or out of stock. If they say they are out of stock, order somewhere else. I don't know how much inventory you guys stock, but I rarely if never run out of anything I need. I don't wait till I have 20 eyes or 30 hooks left, then I get an order to fill and find out I'm short on eyes and hooks. You should monitor your personal stock better. I've had items on backorder from Stamina, but it was never a problem that I needed it right now. If it was, then the first thing, I do is order more, so I don't run out. Also there is another option here. If there is something that you cannot get right away, post it on TU. I have done that on occasion, and many of the guys were willing to help me out. Trade or do whatever it takes to get you out of a bind. Problem solved. I know Stamina is not perfect, but neiher are the others. None of these places are a 7-11, walk in, and walk out. What I'm trying to relay is this, we need to take some personal responsibility, on how we handle ordering materials, take it one step further, do our homework, ask a lot of questions and don't blame anyone else for our lack of organization. Don't take this personally, I'm not here to argue or cause any problems with my TU comrads. I will continue to buy from Stamina, among the other places, that I purchase from.