I got the information from a local web site www.coloradofisherman.com. The moderators and other have attended meetings and spoke personally with department personal. I think I have found some people to pour some baits. Looking for tubes though. Concerned about how a senko will work without salt. May have to go back to sticking trim nails in them. Thanks to all for helping out a newbie. I am very intrigued about making my own baits though. Looks like interesting experiment.