Thanks Jio, Diemai, Paul, for your input, very interesting stuff, I maight have to do some 'Googling' and see what is available here, D2T costs about A$12.50 here (about 5 euros) and I am no too impressed with slabs of it falling off while away fishing, still have about 3 packs to get risd of though, and will probably be yellow by then. I dont know what they use here, because I don't know of any other lure builders, very secretive little community here.pete