No Del those shoot fine it was just the picture I had that was a great example of what I am talking about. Let just say the top one had a paddle at the end of the claw. That is where I get bubbles but mostly in the upper most one. But if it was made with a top sprue I have no issue at all. It is almost like the cavity fills then it trys to push the air and plastic back up to the upper most part of the mold. Thanks for the honesty Del, so it seams it is just what people want and not a design have to. I have alot of molds that I request to have top pour for this reason. Alot of them have an oversized sprue and really like that I dont have to top off. As for laminating with the top sprue, I dont have an issue with it at all. I have put an adapter on a Jacobs mold with the twinjector on top, the plastic went through all of that and down the mold then up to the baits and still gave a great laminate. Where it enters doesnt seem to matter even if it is a long way. Some work but some dont. Sucking air into the injetors when you are getting low on plastic is an art to master, you just slow down and go slow when filling. But that is not what I am talking about. Frank