I thought they were just a little tuff to work with. I'm thinking about it now and maybe it's just the hole plugging issue even though I'm drilling the holes. I'm going to buy some plugs from Ted and see how that works. I do the same thing with my weedguards always have. I try to tell that to people that tie a jig on and cast it out, some listen and some just keep getting hung up. I also tend to trim my skirts too. Thanks again for all the replies this site rules!