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hey mike what im sayin is ....if you get on any china market there stock codes seam to be all the same..so i betting theres just a few manufactures making them and then they sell to wlure and the likes then to the guys like me and you...you have to think that there going to be a few bad one in the bunch....and thats with anything coming out of china? right......i buy the painted ones and a few i cant tune..those go to the garbage can the rest get a hook upgrade...and off we go...I like there baits...the 110 are good the 2.5 squarebills look out....6 out of 10 I couldnt tune to run right.

ok dave i will..we are off till monday and ill ask about looking at it .before, i just upload it...what i dont understand about how it work is ..how dose it generate a print.? or a program...I have worked in 7 shops over the years and only three have cad/cam software.so this is why I know nothing about it..

frank , our master cam is used up in the office by our engineers..they drop programs to a machine in canada. thats where our barrels and screws are made.there really complex with muilti leads..our bigger screws cost us 20k complete shipped to us...with money exchange at 35% .......... dave , we have 3 guys on the shop floor that are good with the bob/cad plus all the material to learn from. 3 cnc mills and 5 cnc lathes will all have the software mid next month.

SURE DAVE SOUNDS GOOD....mid next month a computer will be on my bench..the owner of the shop wants all of us to be on the same page so times dont change per job...he wants me to play around with it to learn before i start to do programs with it...ill pm my email...thanks

dave, i think maybe it dose....what if you took that and made your 3d mold..........bingo... bango

i bet they get theres from the same place as everyone else..just buying bigger lots....in the end there all out of china..so how many hands touch it before you......that's what I would be asking myself....

GEES....DID TORMACH JUST ANNOUNCE 3D PRINTING WITH THE 770......................................TAKE A LOOK BOB

dave, it is call bob/cad that is used on the floor of the shop..i asked today and was shown what it dose....its 3/d software....it will be interesting to learn.....they use master/cam up front...so what I thought was a waste of time maybe a useful tool.i got a quick walk thru and was a bit surprised... the shop wants to stream line the programming with it starting next year....we did talked molds to...so maybe when we slow down there will be some play time.....

dave you have a very complex lure there...i can see were cad would be a big benifit for you and this lure...but im refuring to plastisol molds .i see alot of differant baits and some are very complex.and cad would be great for those..but when looking at a mold and bait for fishing...it appears that we as fisherman are fooled by what is really needed to catch fish...

dave - no i dont...we have master cam and i think its called bob/cad...i could be wrong on the bob/cad..but,i think that's what its called....I do program and run mazaks ,okumas mori/seki I'm not a mold maker.but have done a few for myself...the rest of my molds come from bears and basstackle...also do-it ...I work for a plastic injection co. that makes all the components to get the plastic to the mold...we rebuild all types of grinders for cutting up plastic.and also dryers ..but, I'm not on that crew..i program and run the lathes and mills.to make parts like barrels screws tips and points.and a crap load of other stuff....this is a hobby making lures and plastic baits. ..I find myself living very close to world class fishing lakes and take full avantage of that .( if you bass fish then I'm sure you know about erie and st.clair there in the top 5 lakes in the world.and are better then what they say..100 plus bass days are all to common most 3/5 lbsmy best was a 8lb smallie but we never got the picture.sometimes that's how it works)...I have 30 yrs exp.running cnc lathes and mills...to me cad is ok for a big production run but , in a small job shop to me its a waste ..don't get me wrong dave I'm not taking anything away from no one..but, I'm more the old school programmer..on my bench you will see 10 drafting pads a calculater and a box of pencils.all my mics,indictors calipers height stands sit on the other side or in my box... so thats about it dave....cad/cam I know nothing about.living in the suburbs of Detroit ive made it all with out it...I push the math skills because,what was told to me by a older Russian machinist when I was a green horn..he spoke very little English and took me under his wing..what I got from him was my math skills.funny thing he was a engine lathe guy running a old Mazak engine lathe and was the best at it...his best advise was math is king.it runs the universe.understand it and you can do or make anything..the 70 yr old man was a genius..i was 21. my thought on cad / cam its for the person that is doing heavy detail and cant program it....PLEASE.LETS NOT TAKE THAT WRONG...its just not for me..the cost for what I want to do in my garage isn't worth it...im not looking to be a mold maker but have the chance to make some cool baits.for myself and friends,,not to sell..i don't have time hell I give all of my stuff away just for the old baits to remelt..lol

i didnt know muskies were in kentucky...i would of thought that it would be to warm for them...? can you post some pictures of your baits.?

good questions... i to just started making some baits..i have a couple bass cranks that need theses steps done before paint so im watching this...what lake are you fish for muskies in? i want to make a few big baits as well.....

well i think we learned something from this thread..i went back 10 pages to see if there were any threads with 127 hits and nope not 1 close..so I will say this was good...I feel we all have different opinions on machining my back ground is in the automotive machining...im not a mold maker and have never made molds for a living...I do have a few molds that I have made and the baits I will say work well..so good. that , I shocked myself..this is why I started this thread...just to see who and what was out there and what people like myself were doing...if any started a small shop or just kept it simple for themselves...it went down a few roads that I never even though it would go...I found out some things about others that was different from were I stand as a person.....and felt I was quick to be attacked about it...im good ..hoping others are good...I think we are all here for the same reason to learn more about lure making .I'm not a master at it at all..i just finished a few crank bait carvings and waiting to learn how to paint them.my next carving will be a perch decoy for perch spearing...that's right perch spearing my son dose this on lake st clair and there seams to be a large number of people that do this out there just like pike spearing.i guess they come right to the decoy and don't spook after you hit them..son says he can get 3/4 out of the school of 5/7 ..the buckets of perch he has dropped off were large and half full..... thanks to all that participated...and please keep discussing this thread we all learn from it....

mark you always seam to be there for a laugh.......I was at the comedy shop last night...

hey bob I stand corrected you were right ..but I did say I thought it was a 10 k spindle never said it was.....majic man...1st don't need you to make me a mold...2nd. our trained guys start on our lathes programing straight od,id work.when they move to the mills it back to start with them square ups.and roughing parts in....its kept simple.......yes they have many question but most can copy over the programming with in 3-5 days not saying there masters at it.and they are checked before they run....im not taking away anything from anybody or what you do..i liked what I saw in the machine that's me....good for you if you have something better in your garage.this would fit well in my 1 bay and that's my call when that happens...if YOU CAN GET SOMETHING BETTER FOR YOUSELF GET IT....if you have something better good..its starting to remind me of the thread last year or so about plastisol......and it seams to be some of the same people pissing a longer stream....my friend makes great looking parts with his ..he said it should do fine so ill look at that when that day comes.hey bob maybe I could upgrade that to a 10 k.......... have fun guys ......

thanks mark....machining is a talent for sure. you become better as you get more time on the machines.just like anything else ....the stronger your math skills are the better you will become..top machinist have strong math...so kids,if you want to be a machinist stay in school learn your math dont run with scissors and drink milk.....I think that's how it goes...when your in the shop and are asked questions by your boss/foreman about a print/prints you cant say well lets go to the cad and figure this out...you bust out the calculater and start giving answers ...so in short cad/cam is not needed for you to start cutting molds or parts on this mill or any mill..the tormach mill is a great machine for a start up machinist or shop . (right in your garage)..you really cant beat it.......now I'm not in anyway working for tormach...I just happen to find them on the ole interweb .and just happened to stop by a old friends house and he had one...I think the 1100 has a 10000 rpm spindle and that's more then enough to put a great finish on a hunk of aluminum .....I just wanted to see if there were any members running one.....something to think about if you want to take it to the next level and cut your own molds or parts...20k isn't really a lot of money and could easily be made back and who knows you may become the next bass tackle mold maker....I enjoyed all your thoughts and comments..............................

how could you make any money with that as slow as it goes..i surly hope thats in slow mo...lol

first machine i learned on was a punch/tape no grafics....you just hoped it was right....old school gang set 4 tools ...we thought that was the greatest thing...boy the cost of tooling was high.......the computer part was as big as a small car..i think it was a mori..

we think differantly bob....thats all.....good intension ..

thanks

dont be scared..lol I would have you programming in a week end...its not rocket science......a scratch pad and a TI - 30 calculator is all that's needed.....you will learn the codes quickly......

ive used a few of the megabass 110 knock offs and those work just as good for me....try wlure.com i think thats the site they have a lot of knock offs painted and blanks....

bob is a servo the same as a encoder.?