carolinamike Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Does anybody have any suggestions for suppliers of pre-printed bags? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadK Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 I'm looking into the same thing right now. I'm actually working on the artwork to see what the difference in a pre-printed bag is as opposed to a cardboard foldover. I'd be interested to hear what the rest of you guys do. I'm sure you've all been down this road before. I do know that the vendor I've selected for "plain" bags can do the printing when provided the artwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 If your looking for the bags like the big boys use(ie Zoom, Yamamoto, RI, etc)A few people have looked into it... Something like 50,000 pieces minimum at .10 cents a piece. Close to a $5000 investment. They do look nice though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dutchman Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Chad K, Used the foldover and went to 2"X4" shipping label. I think you will be happier. JMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angler310 Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 I make my own with water proof shipping lables. Poly bags are screen printed according to all the printers I.ve spoken to and is a very expensive process if your not ordering in large quanities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassnRandy Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Try this place as they make bags for a few of the big boys. /www.inpactpoly.com/fishingtackleluresbags.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaBassHunter Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Having been in the Printing business now for over 25 years this subject i am actually somewhat well versed. First off for most printed bags as stated you will have to order a huge quanity also the plate charges and ect. Not to mention that the plastic prices are for the most part only good for 30 days and i suspect they will drop that to 10 soon... Our company use print labels and headers for many companys in the business.. If you have any questions ask away and i will be glad to help where i can. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted November 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Thanks guys. I understand about the minimum purchases and the plate setup fees. So far, I have one company, a minimum of 30,000 bags at a price of around .11 per bag. We sat down and figured the cost of printing our labels and buying the bags not including the labor, we still came out cheaper per bag pricewise on the preprinted bags. I understand it's a huge investment all at once, but if you can stand that cost, then it's still cheaper per bag in the long run. The problem is the company has quoted me a 4 or 5 color price, I'm sure our logo (the one we sent) is more than 5 colors. We asked for something showing us what our label would look like, we were told there was no way to do that. For that much money, that I'm willing to invest, there's bound to be somebody out there that can give me a very good idea of what I'm buying before I buy it. Once you buy 30,000-50,000 bags what you've got is what you've got, be it right or wrong. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I need all the big boy information I can get on this one. Any help will be appreciated. carolinamike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaBassHunter Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 mike ..let me ask you this are they silk screening them or flexo printing them? Can they print process work as well ? another thing to think about is ...Are you going to bag the same exact bait in all these bags ? what about if they are generic how will you label them to identify the product and also the bar code that so many stores will want. Also will they guarntee them not to fade or run from the oils in the worms..just some food for thought.. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted November 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Thanks Mo. We are trying to settle on one size bag and have enough small Mom & Pop tackle stores in our area that we're not looking at a bar code at this time. If it was to come up, I guess we could use labels. We are still planning on using our small labels to identify bait style and color, and as far as the other stuff, I appeciate it so much. Now I am learning some of the questions that I need to be asking. That's one of the great things I love about this site. The willingness to help others never ceases to amaze me. Thanks so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaBassHunter Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 mike i am always glad to help someone .. especially since this might be the only subject on this board i might really know something about..lol If you need anymore help or suggestions i can give you a number thru a PM and you can contact me. I just have seen the good and the bad from the preprinted bags. Hope i have helped you some in this avenue. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallie Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 I am still confused on this subject. Are the bags screen printed? Is the ink the same as that used on tee shirts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaBassHunter Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 smallie some bags are screen printed but most high volume runs are done flexographic they print the plastic then seam the sides and then cut the bottm which seals it as well. ...What most guys need to remember is that plastic is petrolum based and with oil going crazy so do bag cost and trust me the plastic industry makes the most of it. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonah Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 Thanks Mo. We are trying to settle on one size bag and have enough small Mom & Pop tackle stores in our area that we're not looking at a bar code at this time. If it was to come up, I guess we could use labels. We are still planning on using our small labels to identify bait style and color, and as far as the other stuff, I appeciate it so much. Now I am learning some of the questions that I need to be asking. That's one of the great things I love about this site. The willingness to help others never ceases to amaze me. Thanks so much. If you sell to a store that uses scanners and bar codes, they will usually have their own set of UPC codes and will do in house labels for your product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charmerbaits Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Mike, I'm not sure of the volume you sell every year but you have to think about how long it will take you to use that many bags and how long will they last sitting on a shelf before dry rotting. We've checked into the preprinted bags ourself and currently use a barrier bag and a printed label and our cost is less than the price of preprinted bags and we order much smaller quantities. We just label the bags this time of year when we're not busy. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaBassHunter Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Guys if you would like some help in what labels and headers should be costing you ..just drop me an email and i will be happy to tell you if your getting a descent deal or not .. Mo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted December 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Charlie, Our plans are to use laminated bags. I don't think with these I will have the dry rot problem. At one time we used poly bags and had a chance to buy up a large quantity because they were discontinuing the size. Big mistake with poly bags. Their shelf life is not that good. We checked on the price per bag, labels vs. preprinted, and with taking into consideration buying the bags, ink cartridges, and labels it came out to around .11 per bag. The exact same cost as 30000 preprinted bags per bag. We were thinking if they cost the same and if we can afford it why not go with the more attractive package. Preprinted bags would also reduce time and labor in the packaging dept (my wife), and as much labor as I can reduce in the packaging dept. the better off I'll be if you know what I mean. I've got 2 companies names so far, one has sent samples, they really are good looking bags, but I've never really considered the shelf life of a laminated bag. So thanks so much, it gives me another question I need to ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charmerbaits Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 If you can handle tying up that much cash in bag inventory go for it. I know we would rather use the money in baits or other areas. The cost we've got in barrier bags and labels is right at 10 cents per bag and it doesn't take long to label them. If you don't mind let me know the name of the companies your dealing with. If our business continues to grow we may eventually look at printed bags. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallie Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 Charlie - Please describe your barrier bag and the labels you use? Where are you getting your bags? Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted December 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 Charlie, one company is Johnson Bag Co. Their minumum is 30000. Four colors at .11 per bag. This is currently where we get our clear laminated bags now, and their prices are great. The other company is Inpact Poly Products. inpactpoly.com. They have great looking products. One of the companies they do bags for is Chomper baits. They are .10 per bag, 50000 minumum order. Between $200 & $250 per color plate setup. The thing about it is we have so much tied up in our bait business now that we're kind of afraid that we need to go with professional packaging. Considering we are just a 2 person very part-time business, we've been lucky. Every store we've gotten into so far has been by word of mouth advertisement and almost all the time came from other customers. And we also outsell the Z*** company 2 to 1. We are to the point now that we can't keep up with what we've got, so we've kind of jumped in head over heels. At this point we are in the middle of making a lot of decisions about the business so any feedback on this subject is greatly appreciated. If you ever decide you might want to go into large scale production, let me know, I can tell you just the guy you need to talk to, but it is a big investment. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charmerbaits Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 We get our plain barrier bags from Inpact for about 7 cents each and our labels are vinyl from Crown Label in TN for about 3 cents each. They are the same price as Inpact's preprinted but I can buy what I need and don't have to buy 50k. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadK Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 for you guys putting labels on your bags i was wondering where your getting these? Are you printing them yourself? What size are you using? Local Office Depot?, or larger Manufacturer. What about your shipping packages also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe S. Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 I get my labels from Staples right now, but any office supply store should carry them, I use the larger sized ones 3 1/3" x 4" For shipping boxes, I order them from the post office (free), I only ship priority mail so I just get all the different size boxes I'll need and delivery confirmation slips. I have a file on my pc for each bait and color, the labels I use are 6 to a sheet, so I just print a few sheets of each at a time and have stock for each bait style and color in different folders. I don't keep any of my baits bagged so upon order they get bagged and I grab the folders and start labeling them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadK Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 Does everyone ship priority? isnt the cost of shipping a bag of baits priority more than the baits themselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe S. Posted December 6, 2007 Report Share Posted December 6, 2007 Well you hope that people buy more than one bag:wink: Other wise yes ti cost more than the bag But I have free shipping on orders over $20.00 so that usually works out for me and them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
