Senkosam Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 I'm thinking of becoming a distributor for glitter. If I did, and the price beats LC, and even a better color selection was offered, would I get you're business? Got to know because the min. per color and size is 10 lbs., which would be broken down into a standard $/ounce. (S&H extra). Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsac Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 Nope 10 lbs. Way to much for me! It's true that I would eventually use it, but most of the time I would rather put out $15-$20 a pop for short runs of a couple different colors. Just being honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubeman Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 I think you would probably have to go with a full line of related items to make a go of it. If you have the time and energy, Lurecraft needs the competition. Theres not a whole lot of money to be made once you look at the associated costs vs volumes....but I have been wrong many times before Good luck Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Splash Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 Woodsac; I think he means to break down ten pounds for redistribution...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodsac Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 :oops: :oops: :oops: So I see.... If that's the case, then of course! As long as it's a quality product. I am even willing to pay a little extra for good service. The only downfall I see here is that whenever I order from LC or MF, I'm not just ordering fleck, which means I would have to place two seperate orders for supplies and pay shipping twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senkosam Posted November 13, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 To clarify, a minimum of 2 oz. of a certain size flake would be charged at say, x$/ oz. To order 1/2 lb., you would multiply x$ times 8 oz. If you only wanted 6 oz. total (i.e. 3oz. red, 3oz. gold), the charge would be x$ times 6 oz. Once I get a wholesale price, I'll break it down to reflect container and flake price only. S&H extra. (If you have a jar or your own container, there would be no charge for the container - a heavy duty freezer bag would be used per color.) I'm not sure, but standard rip-off S&H price charts might not apply because packaging costs may not be that much. (i.e. A mailing envelope of flake may not even come close to a box containing flake containers, for minimal orders.) So ordering flakes, as needed, may cost only around $1, depending on USPS. UPS may charge more for smaller orders because of their minimum. Overnight is charged extra, of course. I'm not doing this to supplement my income, but few companies offer the service, variety, price. If I can expand to other components, (dyes, powders, and maybe pots, etc.) I will, depending on demand. Let's see where this takes us. Numbers have to be crunched and my tax id established, though I could use my wife's. Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsworms Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 Sam, I'm in if you can get a quality glitter that won't burn at a fair price. Please keep us posted on that. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senkosam Posted November 13, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 The product info I received states that the polyester is heat resistant. Aluminum flakes are also available, but I'm not sure if a problem in a microwave. Probably not because of distance from the sides and small size. I see it as the comparison between Sam's Club and LC, except you don't have to buy in quantity, but have a greater variety. Free samples of odd colors and color combos will be sent on request and/or also thrown in, free of charge from time to time. For example, I add all the colors needed to copy Zoom's margarita (ie. the green sticks and grubs I made for the swap). I would premix this combo and offer it as a standard color. I use a bass-mix (fine green and copper, medium gold, black, and silver flakes). I use other standard mixes, which I would also offer premixed at a set amount per ounce. Pearl powder is my next search. The internal reflection is amazing! Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alsworms Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 Some guys may have had different results, but the polyester flake is the only kind that works for me. I have had my share of problems with aluminum glitter in the past. With high heat, it all turns brown. Sounds like you might be on to something if you can get it in polyester. Very cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senkosam Posted November 13, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 POLYESTER JEWELS This is a top of the line premium glitter that shows more brilliance than any glitter in our line. This is manufactured from a .001" thick vacuum metallized PET film. The color coat is a thermoset crosslinked epoxy system and is available in the widest color offerings of any of our products. It is suitable for a wide variety of applications including, but not limited to, such diverse items as cosmetics, adhesives, plastisols and fiberglass gel coats. Standard size range for this product is from .008" to .125". CRYSTALINA This is a unique specialty line of iridescent glitters. These glitters contain no metallic element, but rather get their color shifting and sparkling appearance from the optical properties of the layered polymer film from which they are made. While there are distinct color variations, the films used to manufacture this product are essentially transparent. ALPHA JEWELS This is among the finest glitter on the market. Holographic products, like the iridescent, obtain their colored appearance because of the optical properties of the flake, rather than any pigment or dye. The base film (PET) is embossed prior to metallizing, which gives it this unique appearance. Hope the price per 10lbs. is within my means. I've asked for a retailer discount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeminoleFan Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 The polyester flake is the only kind that works for me also. But if the flake does not shrink when heated I would definately be ordering from you. Also I have had problems with some flake actually discoloring the plastic. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarshManiaC Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 I'm in with ya...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Splash Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 I haven't stocked up the glitter shelf yet..... I'm gonna wait and see how this turns out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlizard Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 We will do business with you if the pricing is close to LC. I think thier customer service is crap!!!! We are getting low on some flake, and we order 1/2lb at a time so let us know when decide whats going on. Good luck, I think LC needs some competition also. That might make them crack down on service. Also, If you are going to get into coloring you might want to think about highly concentrated paste. Offer something different than LC. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 Sam, I don't mess much with plastics,but I do use alot of glitters with my hardbaits.You may want to post this up on the hardbait section aswell.I know I'm interested on how this turns out..Nathan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senkosam Posted November 13, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 I figure it this way, find alternative sources for all other supplies (ie. plastisol - from Del, dyes, heat stabilizer, hardner, softner from M-F, and glitter from me) and, until there is a better source for dyes, LC. If you purchase 5 gal. amounts of plastic, you have to pay extra S&H anyway. If you don't mind glitter in heavy duty freezer bags, shiping will be minimal. (I'm not sure about N.Y.S. tax for N.Y. residents.) Glitter can be a large component of soft plastics and hopefully the pricing will make this doable. Regardless, I'll post a breakdown of all overhead and get everyone's opinion. Also, I'll heat the plastic containing the flakes to be sure its up to our standard and post pics of clear sample plastic drops containing various colors. The big expense is buying many colors of different size flake and hoping no one gives up the hobby. LOL Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaper lures Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 I am in as long as it's a good quality product! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRPLASTICS Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 Glitron is one of the manufacturers that MF and Lurecraft buy wholesale from, as for dye and pigment colors you will need to call me for that info. I usually dont give that out for free, I have spent months researching and talking to manufacturers of these products, put it this way, I buy powder pigment by the kilo for about an average of 17-20 bucks (1 kilo=2.5lbs) and I believe lurecraft is about 26 bucks per quart, doesnt take an einstein to figure that one out, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRPLASTICS Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 By the way,Jans, Barlows, Lurecraft and MF are all third party sellers of pigment and glitter, thaey all have to mark-up to make a profit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 Scotts right on the amount of time for research into the colors, My wife is doing that and has been for about 3 months to go with the plastic we sell. We have gotten quite a bit of sample colors from people but they dont work with plastolo, looks liek she finally found the place though. There are also special ways you have to mix the pigment with the plastolo to get it to mix right and stay mixed. Lurecraft and m-f dilute theres quite a bit, also if you let it set for s few days it will settle, April's [retty much found a way and type of color that doesnt settle, she is still working on it. I am to busy to mess with it so thats her ball game. I am just making molds and fishing the rest is her's LOL. What we have found that if you dont have pretty much everything for the lure making industry your going to loose lots of sales. And it takes some major money to stock up. for example the glitters easy grand gone just to get the basic colors(and packageing) for resale, then the colors another 2k-4k. plus all the containers to put the stuff in. We are hoping to have everything online buy the 1st of jan. she wanted it before x-mas but thats pushing it. Delw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidlizard Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 Sam, I was thinking. We would definately use the same color flake mixed in different sizes. That might open up a whole new market for you. Would be cheaper for others also John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senkosam Posted November 14, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 The price list will give me an idea as to how much I can offer at the get go. If I find the demand high enough for a component that's offered at a cheaper price and with lower s&h rates, I'll keep expanding colors in all common sizes. I should have the price list and samples by early next week. If the break down comes out cheaper to you, it's a done deal; if not, not. Even if I have to break even to undercut LC, I'll do it. Specialization makes for better economics and quality usually. The number of guys that pour their own may only be a handful, in which case I may have a couple of hundred pounds of glitter on my hands for quite a long time. So be it. It's my commitment. Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docirv Posted November 15, 2003 Report Share Posted November 15, 2003 to have individuals really involved with the hobby to also be providing better quality products for us at a better cost. I find it more enjoyable to buy from Del already, so having the opportunity to deal with others on this board is very welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senkosam Posted November 15, 2003 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2003 Thanks, I couldn't haven't expressed it any better. I'll give it my best shot and try to make it work. As they say, "competition is good". Next time I need plastic, Del gets my business. (Hope you can expand into dyes. Even at LC's prices, you'd still get my business.) Sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
