Ogajiga Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 If Ultra Point quality is going down, alternatives need to be considered. Gamakatsu doesn't offer many of the sizes I use, plus they are too expensive for standard round heads. Has anyone tried Daiichi "the world's sharpest hooks" - both the 90* and the 60*? I emailed USA dstr. Blakemore requesting OEM samples and prices in early Dec. but haven't seen any yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbor Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 I want to say, when i have priced them retail in the past they were more expensive than Gamakatsu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gloomisman Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 diitchi is a great hook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReactionAttack Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 I like diachii, but I use exclusively Owners in all my jigs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HookUp Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Daichi hooks are excellent, along the same lines as Gamakatsu. And along the same lines as their price too. As bassonly, I'm likeing Owners allot, but they aint cheap. Still using Matsui hooks, but have about a 10% failure rate. You need to check their sharpness and the eye of the hook closure. A Razors Edge hook sharpener and a needle hose takes care of those two problems, but its extra time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogajiga Posted February 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 Finally received a Daiichi OEM price list and requested jig hook samples and... 1. The 3 tier pricing program is a bit complicated. 2. The 90* jig hooks are sharp but easy to bend out the first few degrees before the temper locks in. #2, #4, & #6 sizes I got have short legs so may not interchange with standard sizes in Do-it molds. Small lot prices slightly less than Gamis. 3. The 60* hooks use a medium gauge wire, have an out bent point angle and cost more than Gamis. Same curious initial bend out weakness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted February 9, 2008 Report Share Posted February 9, 2008 Hawnjigs. Does the 'bend out' return when released, ie spring back? If so, I think that this is normal and all hooks will have it. The springiness is a feature of the tempering of the metal. The thinner the wire, the more 'springiness' the hook will have. If it did not have the spring, it would snap. Something to do with youngs modulus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogajiga Posted February 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Vodkaman, nope, the first few degrees of initial deflection didn't spring back ie: slightly bent out permanently. After that, the temper felt solid. Whatya think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 That does not sound good. I would get back to them and see what they have to say about it. This is what samples are all about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogajiga Posted February 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Good advice, I will, especially since other members have posted good comments about Daiichi. Perhaps I might have been a bit rough on my (fingers)bend out tests due to the the 90* jig hooks being rated "salmon/steelhead" on a dealer website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogajiga Posted February 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 Here's the reply from Ron at Blakemore: "I apologize for the quality of these hooks. We just recently found out that those hooks were badly tempered. They should not be that easy to bend out. We have a new shipment of these hooks coming in a few months." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 I use Daiichi hooks for the pike flies that I've been tying. I really like them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilfish4774 Posted November 20, 2011 Report Share Posted November 20, 2011 In my experience the red/gold is more appealing to the fish species that I target than the black color. As we all know, when a fish is determined to commit suicide most any jig combination will suffice. I like to think that the extra thought that I express in the jigs that I fashion really does make a difference in a senerio where a fish is actually given a choice between two simular style jigs worked side by side in front of it. Not wishing any fishermen any bad luck but I would rather be the one catching rather than watching another catch.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Hawn In the price list and I don't remember the number there's a separate number for the longer leg bend. I'll see if I still have the email from Ron at TTI where he explained it to me. If not I've got his email addy somewhere and I'll get it to you. Fatman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogajiga Posted November 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Fatman, I'm doing fine without DaiIchi hooks. In particular, Ultra Point 32833 suits my needs for a reasonably priced premium quality heavier wire 90* small jig hook. So far, those salmon/steelhead tuff hooks haven't exhibited the quality control problems I've noticed in recent 32786. Since Do-it now offers ball head molds specific to the 32833 hook, the short legs aren't a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted November 23, 2011 Report Share Posted November 23, 2011 Hawnjigs, As of late I have heard that Eagle Claw is changing all of their hooks over to needle points in black nickle. I have some of the numbers in stock and I'll tell you one thing they are sharp. I do not know however if they are going to change the entire line though. If what I have is a product of things to come, I will gladly use Eagle Claws with my Mustads. I also think that Eagle Claw if they do persue this, will give Mustad a run for the money. It's something to look into and keep in mind for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogajiga Posted November 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 Cadman, thanks for the heads up. I would rather support an American than overseas bizness. What model #s are you impressed with? Besides point quality, another concern of mine is wire strength, which Eagle Claw appears to lack precision control over. A customer of mine just complained that he has bent out 7/0 EC 413s ON THE STRIKE, not even having the opportunity to fight the hookups. He uses 100# braid to throw jigs, but still...Years ago I was quite satisfied with EC heavy wire point quality and just right wire temper, then their quality control went to heck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Cadman, thanks for the heads up. I would rather support an American than overseas bizness. What model #s are you impressed with? Hawn, The hook I have been using regularly and am happy with is the 60 degree EC L111BP. It is a Black Pearl finish, extra wide gap and the guys I've been selling them to are very happy with them. The hooks used to be lazer point and now have been switched over to needle point. So far so good and they fit my molds that take a 60 degree hook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
