Massacre Bait Co. Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Do "Laminate" bait's catch more fishermen than fish...??? What does eveyone think...?? I pour them and do fish with them but are they really necessary to to catch more fish..? I fish alot of dirty water for most of the first part of the season and some real stained water. Are the bass seeing the two or three color pours or are they feeling the movement and the sent of the bait..? I personly think that a bait that moves alot of water and has the correct sent will out catch one that has multiple colors...But I would like to know what every one else has to say about it.. Massacre Bait Co. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwampBaits Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 I personally think a bass will eat just about anything. It's the fishermen who are picky! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish_N_Fool Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 OK; here is my oppinion. For most baits I dont think it makes much, (if any) differance, however in my baits I'm 100% sure it does make a huge differance and here is why. My baits have a large wobble or sway as it free falls, flashing the lighter belly color on and off. In clear water you can see it with ur own eyes so you can se sure that the fish see that bait flashing. I believe this is why the bait works so well. It kinda arcs as it falls swing the belly up to one side and then the other. That flashin I think makes the fish reaction strike it. So I fish Laminates about 90% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallie Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Bass feed by sight and by sensing vibration through their lateral line. I think in dirty water, presenting multiple colors gives you an opportunity to present a color they can see. Vibration would add to their sensory reception of the bait. I think in clear water, the multiple colors allow you to present more than one color at a time and when you make your own baits, you can combine a couple colors at one time that you have proven to work on a specific body of water. That being said - do I fish laminates exclusively? No, I try to develop baits that work well on my specific lakes. If it is laminate, so be it but if not, so what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSC Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Great Question. First in dirty water (I did not come up with this on my own . read it back in the 50's and made so much sense that I have confidence in it) Solid Black ... it does not "Blend" in with the water as would a light colored bait ... it makes a Silhouette (sp) ... Second .. I think laminates catch more fishermen than fish, But in so saying, I have seen a lot of times in CLEAR water where the combinations of color made a lot of difference mostly with a tail color different from the body and especaily with glitter. My 2 cents worth. (more could be said but that is it in a nutshell) JSC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 My basics of fishing is in flyfishing; and there's a saying "dark sky, dark fly; bright sky, bright fly." In other words the fish will have to see the bait in order to hit it. Laminates may help in this situation as they are usually a combo of dark and light colors. Do they catch fishermen; most definately. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike-A-Pike Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 I wish somebody would create a pair of glasses I could wear to see a lure the way a bass see a lure. Just add or remove filters to simulate water clarity. I wounder what they would sell for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Hey Bruce; I'll get right on it;lol. I think there would be a heck of a lot more money in those than baits. Can you say "crazy rich". www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabskie Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Color does make a difference,,,after 30 plus years of bass fishing,,,one color will outfish another,,proven that on many fishing trips,,,but like smallie said there are other factors also involved. Action,,,vibration,,,presentation,,water clarity,,,,on and on,,,been on trips when white was the hot color,,,another trip,,,,Red was the ticket, another white with a blue back,,you just got to experiment and see what they want. But I do think that some color combinations catch the fishermans eyes,,,more so that the fish's,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senkosam Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Fish N Fool related what Gary Yamamoto believes about laminates, namely that the are analogous to a strobe, flashing two different colors with the roll or jerk of the bait. If bass can see the contrasting colors, is it the action or the colors? Who knows! CONFIDENCE - without it, no lure will work and if you believe in a color because of repeated catches, you'll try to find what time of year and in what color water it worked best in a particular bait design. Do pearl tubes work most of the time or does green pumpkin? Do laminate sticks work better than a favorite selection of solid colors? I prefer basic black power worms, but I do have confidence in a watermelon or pumpkin with black flake / chartreuse laminate when it comes to Senko k/o's. I don't believe there is ever a time that a laminate excels over a group of solid colors. I thing translucence and opacity are qualities I'd be more concerned about, as well as the flash of glitter or internal black flakes that are visualized against the sky. Also, the size and shape of glitter, such as .062 square colored flakes, create a contrast that does more visually than a laminate IMO. Experience and experimentation is the key, but what worked this month or year may not seem to work as well next month or year. Laminates aren't at the top of my color choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massacre Bait Co. Posted March 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Thanx for everyones input on my question...I want to put out a bait that will Catch Fish...Yes I want to catch some fishermen but if they do dont put fish in the boat on my bait's then it is just a one time sell and that does me no good...I'll post some photo's of some of my laminates soon for ya all to see... Thanx, Massacre Bait Co. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickcalderone Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Just wanted to add my two cents here. I will try not to hi-jack this thread too much, but I have an observation to share with you. I read your original post, and put that theory to the test over the weekend. Sunday afternoon, I went to my sisters house which sits on a private lake. She, her husband, my neice, my nephew, may father and myself, were all fishing. They know what a fishing nut I am and that I pour my own baits etc. Anyway, I told them that I wanted to try an experiement and they agreed to help me. So, I rigged each person with the EXACT SAME style of worm,(4" stick wacky rigged) but each worm was in a different COLOR. Three of the worms were laminates and three were solids. Now, I told them to fish the worms any way they wanted (i.e. slow, fast, hopping off of the bottom etc.) We were all fishing from the bank about 6 to 8 feet apart. Everyone was using clear monofilament line except for me, and my nephew Caleb. I was using flourocarbon and he was using moss green mono. I kept track of each persons fish and the data is as follows: My sister was using a cream/green laminate and didn't catch anything. My brother-in-law was using a purple/silver laminate and didn't catch anything. My nephew was using a red/rootbeer laminate and didn't catch anything although he did hook something, but it came unhooked before we could see it. My father was using a green pumpkin color and he caught 1...but it was almost 4 lbs. I was using a translucent purple color and caught 2. Both were also small. (under 2lbs.) My neice was using a solid black 4" and she caught 5 total. They were all relatively small (under 2 lbs.) but she did manage to catch the most fish! I know this doesn't really prove anything, I just thought you might like to know the results of my little test. To be honest, I was shocked that Savannah's simple black stik caught the most fish. I thought for sure the flashy laminates would produce. I have had good luck on the cream/green laminate color in that lake before. I'm sure the results would be different if we went fishing again this coming weekend. It's just interesting to see how it played out. Sorry to Hi-Jack the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senkosam Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Nice post Nick. You've given an anecdote that may repeat itself on another day, but not likely. If you gave everyone the same baits and colors a few days from now or next month, the numbers could be reversed. If you swapped bait colors between the same anglers, most likely the numbers caught would show no pattern except perhaps who may have been luckier to get more reflex strikes. If I had to chose optimal bait factors to manipulate it would be: bait size, design and action/ bait presentation or technique line size and type water color/ time of day/ available light lure color (determined by all of the above or and by trial and error) Laminates do less well for me than single translucent colors with flakes or opaque pearl, bubblegum or black. FrankM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 What it all comes down to is that there are too many variables in our fishing. Right time; right place; right fish; right action; right bait; and right color/shade, for that one fish. And then there is the confidence of that particular fisherman. My partner loves a certain shade of yellow plastic bait. Me on the other hand; I don't care for yellow baits. We tried this one day pre-fishing. We both took the very same rod, reel, and line. We put on the same yellow bait with the same hook. I fish the front of the boat and he is in the back. We went down a stretch of shoreline for about 300 yards. At the end he outfished me 3 to1. In my mind the only differance in his favour was the confidence he has in the color of his bait. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senkosam Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Well said Nova! I've found that some tourney anglers think that since they caught the most fish from the bow, it was superior skill and lure choice (including color) rather than that the first cast to a tight spot= better odds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickcalderone Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 I agree with all of you! I have the most confidence in a simple white spinnerbait...but this test wasn't about that. I just thought since I had most of my family out there, I had the opportunity to try my little test out. Like I said, it really doesn't prove anything, it was just interesting to see how it played out. I didn't want to get too detailed about all of the factors and conditions since I was already hi-jacking the thread as it is. I will say this though, Savannah (who caught the most fish) basically stayed in one spot along with my dad and sister. I watched her and noticed she was reeling the bait in faster than I would. Her first fish came around 3 P.M. and then nothing until around 5 P.M. when the sun started going down. That is also when my dad hooked his. Mine both came around 4 P.M. and were actually in shallow water parallel to the bank. Savannah was casting to the middle of the lake. Myself and my nephew walked the bank at the time when I caught my two fish. I am not sure what the water temp was, but the air temp was about 65 degrees F. and it was slightly windy. The water was stained. Again, I am sorry for hi-jacking the thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massacre Bait Co. Posted March 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 nickcalderone...YOU have not hijacked this thread..!!! You have done just what I wanted and was looking for...!!! Great Test...!!! I really appreciate you spending the time to do so... Senkosam... I have to agree with ya on the translucent & opaque baits. Like I said I do pour laminates and sell alot of them... If it sells I will put it out for them to buy...!!! This has been a great thread I think...But please don't get in a fuss over it... It is a way for me to do an inquiry on what all you top notch fishermen (or fisherwomen) think about laminates... If anyone else has something to say please do so... Thanx again for everyone's in put on my question. Massacre Bait Co. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete s. Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 how do you say red shad. culprit worms started the laminate craze by accident. they were trying to pour worms with a tail of contrasting color(the colors were pushed from each end of the mold). early injection molds were vertical and they did it that way. culprit custom made a horizonal injection mold and when they tried to reproduce contrasting color tail,presto the laminate worm(started in a home garage just like many on TU). that was the birth of the laminate worm. wasnt long the entire nation wanted the shad colors(laminate). now,that being said. that is the eternal question do you have to sell the customer or the fish first. but the avid fishermen in fla know that a laminate red shad worm can be a real killer on bedding bass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massacre Bait Co. Posted March 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 pete s. Great info. Thanx...I'm working on a RedShad now for one of my colors...I have bait's down in N.Florida now as we speek...They are getting used near Gainsville and the Gulf after Red's and Trout...5 different shades and 5 type's...The ice is just now comeing of my local waters and my first Tourny is March 15-16...It is at Brownlee Res. Idaho...Look it up you guy's it is on the web...I will put my question to the test myself...I am not fishing Laminates "but" every bait I throw will have 3d EyEs on it. Rather it is Hard plastic or Soft...Every bait will have them... I will be fishing backseat behind a Pretty Hot Stick... I will post how it went... Thanx for your input... Massacre Bait Co. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
