gofish,ill Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 im having a blast so far.heres my first attempts at carving some masters to make molds from.got another couple questions though..the one thats supposed to look like a goby (top right and by itself) would i be better off with the fins if i used rtv?not quite happy with it,cant decide if the head could be a lil fatter and might use something a lil thinner for the fins,would like them to be almost transparent but not rip off removing them from the mold lol. also is it worth carving details into them in case i at some point decide to sell some?have a few more im working on and cant wait to start pouring!...thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 I always say focus on the big details. Anyone should think of a few things when they think goby and these are the details you need to emphasis. Scales, etc... are nice but will be lost in my opinion because of the gobies main features in the head. RTV can be nice if a lot of undercuts and design elements to work as locks once a bait is cast. Where is the pic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gofish,ill Posted March 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 doh!!!! sorry did something wrong first time i guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 Looks like you are off to a good start with the masters. Should be a good starting point for some lures. Now the goby needs a little work, to be honest, but is a good first effort and shows you picked up on some of the fin detail. I would refer back to some photos. As is you have a nice representation of a killifish. The body shape is off. Do a search for round goby photos. I placed emphasis on the head on my goby representation. 1354046 - round goby, Neogobius melanostomus (Perciformes: Gobiidae) @ Forestry Images http://eoutdoorventure.com/images/%5CGoby%20MNRPic.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loco Posted March 19, 2008 Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 what are you going to do with the wooden masters ? once complete, do you then press them into rtv or plaster ? its obvious that your not going to dip them..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gofish,ill Posted March 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2008 i agree about the head on the goby,thought id left enough material for shaping when i made the templates.think ill try a lil different pattern for the dorsal fin too. whats about the thinnest i can make the fins and still pour them?..thanks loco im planning on using pop for the simpler molds but dont know what would be better for the goby wannabe lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickcalderone Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 RTV is far superior, in my opinion, than POP...except for price. POP will cost under $10 for a small box...RTV silicone will cost about $30 for a small container. (14oz) RTV will produce a fleixble mold that will not crack or shatter. RTV will also produce a consistent finish on the bait with no need to re-coat the inside with glue. Lastly, RTV will reproduce EVERY MINUTE DETAIL down to the tiniest bump, dimple, ripple or line. Just my humble opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Not going to find anyone disagree that RTV gives a better detailed mold and if not for the price many would use it instead of POP or durhams. The catch is that many lures don't need RTV for the detail. I have Durhams rock puddy molds that I have poured thousands of lures in that were coated once in devcon and still produce a bait just as nice as day one. A sluggo style bait for example. A properly done POP or Durhams Rock puddy will give just as good results as an RTV and when it comes to molding prototypes a huge waste of money to use RTV until the bait is all worked out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 I find that PoP is as good at detail as anything else. I made an alginate mold of my thumb and then cast it in plaster. Every fault of my ageing skin, including the thumb print, was faithfully reproduced. Although the price is painful, I still prefer RTV. I tend to do a lot of under cuts and never any problems removing the cast from the mold. It seems to me that PoP requires an unwritten skill set. These skills are gained through lots of practise and experience. RTV is very forgiving, as long as you mix it correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gofish,ill Posted March 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 goin back and reworking a few of the masters to get them perfect.i got lucky on buying rtv..local hobby shops goin out of business and i bought 6 1lb kits for 9 bucks each.think ill do pop for most but rtv for the goby.if i can get that goby lookin right im thinking bout one 5 inches or so long too.......thanks guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longhorn Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Just an observation...based on the shape of your masters you would need to make two-piece POP molds....none of them have a flat top. Just wanted to make sure you knew this since you are new. Good luck with your baits. This is a fun part of fishing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gofish,ill Posted March 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2008 sure do longhorn....now if me and those air bubbles in the pop can start gittin along a little better........:mad:lol ....only havin a problem with the second half of the molds but ill git er figured out....think my wifes starting to miss me.....keeps comin out ta visit lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
