livelybaits Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Hello lure makers and crafters. I enjoyed browsing your site and reading your contributions. I searched around to see if I could find info on this particular situation (I learned a lot from looking at those topics) but I didn't see this one. I got the glow yellow powder paint from Cabelas recently. I heated the lead over the same candle I usually use and dipped it into the paint. The powder looks yellow in the can but all the lead I painted looks lime green. Did they send me a mislabeled powder paint or am I doing something that's making it turn out green instead of yellow? Thanks in advance for your feedback Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedHed Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Neil Welcome into the underground. Get yourself a heat gun - it's alot easier and safer to use. You proboably need to apply an undercoat of white (this is where a fluid bed comes in handy) and then use your yellow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livelybaits Posted March 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 "Heat guns" was one of the other items I was reviewing on here. I've always used the candle and haven't had any problems. The undercoat of white is something I'll try out. After the undercoat of white ,do I bake the paint on there before I heat it up again and dip it in the yellow? Thanks for the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedHed Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 The problem with candles is the soot - but if it works for you and your comfortable with it..... The heat gun gives you more control and if you decide to try the brush techniques you will need one. You apply your undercoat, then your color, and then cure. Don't forget to surf the gallery also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Neil Welcome into the underground. Get yourself a heat gun - it's alot easier and safer to use. You proboably need to apply an undercoat of white (this is where a fluid bed comes in handy) and then use your yellow. LedHed is right about the heat gun. It will save you a lot of headaches. Also to reiterate what LedHed said!!!!!! Neil, I don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livelybaits Posted March 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Cadman, Yes it is the Pro Tec Yellow Glow COMPONENT SYSTEMS SUPER GLOW POWDER PAINT YELLOW I'll definitely try the white base, not only with this but with other Glow paints I have. I have noticed that the glow paints seem "stickier" and I should have figured out that an undercoast is a potential solution. So it looks like ledhed is telling me that I don't need to cure it until after the second layer of glow is applied. (I did check the gallery at your suggestion and that's really great. I'll have to upload a few things to there myself) I'll check in to the heat gun. But I have done pretty well with the candle... Maybe it's time to change my methods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Cadman,Yes it is the Pro Tec Yellow Glow COMPONENT SYSTEMS SUPER GLOW POWDER PAINT YELLOW I'll definitely try the white base, not only with this but with other Glow paints I have. I have noticed that the glow paints seem "stickier" and I should have figured out that an undercoast is a potential solution. So it looks like ledhed is telling me that I don't need to cure it until after the second layer of glow is applied. (I did check the gallery at your suggestion and that's really great. I'll have to upload a few things to there myself) I'll check in to the heat gun. But I have done pretty well with the candle... Maybe it's time to change my methods. Yes LedHed is correct. All your powder painting should be done first, before you bake or cure your paint. There is another TU member on here that goes by the name of Benjamin (Tj's Tackle). He has a video on powder painting and fluid bed instructions. Just something for you to see, it will definitely give you some pointers, even if you have powder painted before. Benjamin may chime in here to further assist you in your problem. Also, I can send you a copy of my tutorial, to help you out further, in powder painting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livelybaits Posted March 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 I think that the paint is not the problem. I can see on the metal of the hook in some spots it does look yellower. I went out and tried out some jigs that I'd already painted in white (but they had been cured in the oven already). They turned out green too. I'll get it figured out eventually. Thanks for the assistance Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted March 25, 2008 Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Curious if the soot is contaminating the paint off the candle. If you like the flame I use a alcohol burner when out doors and works well but not as good as a heat gun. White for a base is very important. If the paint is not taged wrong try to use a lighter or a clean fuel on one. I wish you luck. Going to the gallery to see if you posted a pick of the jig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livelybaits Posted March 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2008 Curious if the soot is contaminating the paint off the candle. If you like the flame I use a alcohol burner when out doors and works well but not as good as a heat gun. White for a base is very important. If the paint is not taged wrong try to use a lighter or a clean fuel on one. I wish you luck. Going to the gallery to see if you posted a pick of the jig. I'll get some up there as soon as I can Kelly. The candle is nothing special. I have an alcohol burner too "somewhere in the garage", but I need to pull out something to paint or do a pour. I do know that my best comfort level is with those holograph paints. And I think the favorite part of those to me is how it doesn't gunk up in the hook eyes like the glow paints. I'll probably tap your knowledge on heat guns but I'd rather go and look at what you guys have already posted on those topics. Nothing worse than a new guy who asks stuff that's been posted several times previously (I don't want to be "that guy") Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayooper Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 All the above are great suggestions by some really experienced people. Another thing you can try to give the glow a little more intensity of the glow color is to use the regular color as a base coat and then the glow color. For example if you want a glow yellow chartreuse jig, put a light base coat of regular yellow chartreuse and then the glow yellow chartreuse. This may make the yellow you have more yellow and not so much green. If you are going to be painting a lot of jigs, I would recommend using a toaster oven to preheat all your jigs. The advantages of using a toaster oven is that you get a constant temperature and it takes the guess work out of holding the jig over a heat gun or candle. Make sure to use an oven thermometer to verify the temperature in the toaster oven. We preheat the jigs at 375 for about 15 to 20 minutes before we start painting them. If you are only doing one quick coat in a fluid bed, you will want to up the temperature in the toaster oven to 400 since you are opening and closing the door all the time. When you are done painting them, just hang them back in the toaster oven to cure them. You can paint hundreds of jigs an hour this way. Hope this helps! Feel free to ask any more questions. I'll be glad to help. Thanks, Benjamin TJ's Tackle Welcome to TJ's Tackle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livelybaits Posted March 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Benjamin Thanks. I tried the dipping of the jigs after being in the oven and it didn't work well at all: But I think I did not have the temp at what you're recommending. The other hints on a primer I'll try out. I don't have the chartreuse paints but I can get some and try that out. Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livelybaits Posted April 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2008 I got in some regular "yellow" and using my candle method, these ones turned out the yellow I wanted all along. Just in time for the pompano run! I do need to get the new heat source and try that glow paint and see if it comes out yellow instead of green. Thanks for your help Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSC Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 The Pompano run is on up here ... have not had a chance to throw a jig at them. (Panama City to P'cola area) JSC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livelybaits Posted May 2, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 The problem with candles is the soot - but if it works for you and your comfortable with it.....The heat gun gives you more control and if you decide to try the brush techniques you will need one. You apply your undercoat, then your color, and then cure. Don't forget to surf the gallery also. Ledhed, I love the gallery. I've been going through there as often as I've had time. I took some photos of my jigheads I've been pouring and will get those uploaded soon. The ol' candle method has been good but I think a different heat source is in the near future even if I don't "brush" paint my jigheads. I really like the "pearl white", "red", "red holograph" and a mix of the red holograph and gold holograph for most of my jigheads. For my pompano lures, this new "yellow" is great. But I am curious to see how the glow yellow turns out with a different heat source and/or a primer coat. Thanks for all the feedback fellas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedHed Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 livelybalits Would like to see some of your jigs posted - not alot of pompano out here. If you are interested in a jig swap - PM me. JSC has some of my jigs - wasn't sure of the color combos you guys use... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSC Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 "livelybalits Would like to see some of your jigs posted - not a lot of pompano out here. If you are interested in a jig swap - PM me. JSC has some of my jigs - wasn't sure of the color combos you guys use... LedHead" =================================== Hi guys Attached is a shot of the Jigs from LedHead ... they are better looking than in the pic but I could not capture it with camera. In the sunlight the sparkle is really great. Pompano Jigs (sorry I don't have any on hand .. gotta make a couple with nylon dressing) ... as used on the NWFL Gulf Coast .. Traditionally an all yellow jig (with maybe a red stripe) nylon dressing .. with or without painted eyes ... bullet shape ... 5/8 oz Bullet Jig .. Locals trim the Nylon off at the bend of the hook .. that is the one that is marketed .. Now for the Locally made ones ... Fatter Bullet jig .. short shank (some are standard hook with a connecting link for the connecting eye) 5/8 to 1 oz .. Now the paint job is unique in that it is a cream color to represent the Pompanos favorite food the Sand Flea ... generally the dressing is a short Nylon tail in yellow ... within the past 10 to 15 years or so they have started adding a green chartreuse nylon tail as well (no change in jig color) .. Back in the late 60s and early 70s when I did a lot of surf and Pier fishing (you have pier fishing and then you have pier fishing specialist the ones that you make "Buddies" with ... you have to prove that you are worthy of it ... that is where you get into some of the dedicated Pompano fishing) I was making my "Scoot A Jig" Shrimp Tail and a yellow one is what I caught most of my Pompano on .. only recently have others started using plastic ... I still had a few nylon tails just in case as this can be a real "Finicky" fish .. and for those of you that don't know this is 80 % sight fishing .. I could go on & on with this subject ... Hope I have not bored yall to much JSC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSC Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 Just a little Add On to the Pompano Jig ... I forgot I had one from back in the 50's . (attached Pix) as you can see the hook is in really bad shape ... We called them Dudes and I think this one was made by Barracuda (they made the Super Dude as well it had a metal collar over the wrap) all since then has followed this general design except for some made in the Pensacola to Destin Area (not sure about Panama City). JSC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
