Pop Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Has anyone else read the article in Field & Stream, the March 2008 issue concerning soft plastics killing fish and possible regulations? Pop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bountiful Waters Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Has anyone else read the article in Field & Stream, the March 2008 issue concerning soft plastics killing fish and possible regulations? Pop I heard about it on another bass forum. Something to the effect that we should be using "food matter" product. I would not doubt this is being pushed a little by the manufacture(s) who use these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Bait Co. Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 I could see the big guys trying to shut down hand pouring or slow it down. I think we are putting a dent in their profits. Maybe they should start making colors and plastics people whant. Not what they whant us to buy thats were the saying comes in hook the fisherman first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr316 Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Has anyone else read the article in Field & Stream, the March 2008 issue concerning soft plastics killing fish and possible regulations? Pop The "study" was paid for by food source lures... take it for what its worth, but theres definetley an agenda behind stuff like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike-A-Pike Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Sort'a like global warming, which ended almost 10 years ago. Check your heating bills if you don't think so, your wallet wouldn't lie to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTfishingrods Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 I wish I could get a lil bit of that global warming on the lakes around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete s. Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 about 10-15 yrs ago ago a worm manufacturer stated that EPA was thinking about doing something about the polution of our waters 1. outboards and 2. plastic fishing baits. they decided to work on the outboards first. the results today are the presents of alot of 4stroke outboards and fuel injection 2strokes. i have been told that it is almost impossible to find new 25hp 2stroke merc outboards(gheenoe forum). 4stroke outboards may be in the future for all of us. just a matter of time before EPA jumps on the plastic bait manufacturers(MHO). point being,it may be in the future of all of us to find alternative products for our plastic baits. maybe some of the bigger plastic bait manufacturer may want to pipe in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr316 Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 I know there are some drawbacks to the current plastics we use, but I was under the impression they are non toxic? Maybe someone can clear this up? I highly doubt fish are dieing from the plastics we use, farm runoff, city runoff, waste water treatment plants, illegal dumping all are very serious issues are waterways and fish populations face. If there going to "clean" anything up I wish they would take a look at the bigger issues! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Prager Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 I think most of the baits we use end up in the bottom of our boats than the bottom of the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKEYqpHUNTER Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 i agree with 152nd street baits.most of the used baits are tossed into the boat.the ones the fish tear off are the ones on the bottom of the river. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 I know there are some drawbacks to the current plastics we use, but I was under the impression they are non toxic? Maybe someone can clear this up? I highly doubt fish are dieing from the plastics we use, farm runoff, city runoff, waste water treatment plants, illegal dumping all are very serious issues are waterways and fish populations face. If there going to "clean" anything up I wish they would take a look at the bigger issues! I agree; but unfortunately those industries are controlled by super big money who control the political winds and it is highly unlikely that they will sit still for that kind of clean-up. They will defect the problem down to the levels of society that don't have the top-end control that they have. That's just a good example of the saying " s**t rolls downhill". I sure hope that the roll doesn't stop at our level; lol. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted April 13, 2008 Report Share Posted April 13, 2008 (edited) It started a long time ago, this article and the people who wrote it are twisting the the real truth and using old info to get a new point across. Plastics used to be made with DOP'S in them at least thats what I think the term was( I posted it many many years ago) Todays Plastics don't use DOP's for the most part. some do. Countries around the world were the first ones to bann Plastics with DOPS mainly in europe. If I remember correctly DOPS are known to leak toxins into the water ways. Also this will be pretty hard to outlaw as plastic will always be avail. as long as the carpet industry keeps using it for the carpet backing. note: I am pretty sure its DOPS I forget the exact word, it was told too me by calhoun and anotther plastic supplier about 6-8 years ago and my memory is shot. I did make a post about it a long while ago in a thread about the lake in colorado that won't allow plastic baits, or it was about the lakes in NY or one of the north east states that does not allow plastic baits to be used. Edited April 13, 2008 by Delw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Bait Co. Posted April 14, 2008 Report Share Posted April 14, 2008 When I first started to pour my own plastics. I ask the guy that owns one of the tackle shops what would a good scent to use and said I was going to order one on-line ( he doesn't sell any). He had said to find one then check with the EPA to make sure it was legal in Nebraska. Because some of the scents are harmful to the water and fish. So I thought he was B.S.'n me so I asked the other two tackle shops and they said the same thing (all have been owed by the same people for over 10+ years). None of them really stock scents and never tried to sell them to me when I asked. I haven't figured out who to contact at the EPA yet to check with. So maybe Food Source and Berkley Gulp are fish freindly but what happens to all the disoved worms that Bio-Degade in the water. The gunk is still in the water maybe killing of micro creatures that fry feed off of. It maybe Green on paper but I bet if you throw a half bag (5) of them in a heathy fifty five gallon fish tank. Not many fish would make it though a week with them in their. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr316 Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 it would be very interesting to actually have a study done on all this that is not funded by someone with an agenda! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted April 15, 2008 Report Share Posted April 15, 2008 (edited) If you want to find out where something like this comes from....just follow the money trail. It's unfortunate, but that is the way of the world. If you think that these big companys care for one second about nature you may be delusional. They may say they care and they can be made to care; but if left on their own, the only thing they care about is the bottom line. Just look around at the pollution that has been dumped into nature over the last 50 years. How many cities on the both coasts for years dumped their sewers straight into the oceans until they were made to stop? Don't get wrong here, I'm not picking on anyone in particular. I'm just stating my observations of almost 60 years. God, has it been that long? Looks different in print. Edited April 15, 2008 by nova Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeeterdan Posted April 16, 2008 Report Share Posted April 16, 2008 Big buisness or not, when the eco freaks get started with this they wont stop until we are all using jello to make our worms. Hmmm, maybe I should get ahold of Bill Cosby, may be onto something here. Garlic and shad jello, just have to bring a can of whipped topping with me on the boat lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdhaeh Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 FYI, there is a thread at pondboss.com where a guy caught a really skinny bass, so he cut open the stomach and found that the digestive tract was blocked by plastic worms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassnfool Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 It sounds to me like the really skinny fish didn't die from the plastic worms in its digestive tract but from the knife in the fisherman's hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Maybe the "eco freaks" have shares in the company that makes gummy worms;lol. Good point about the knife; but there's still no accounting for one stupid fish. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeyJ Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 It sounds to me like the really skinny fish didn't die from the plastic worms in its digestive tract but from the knife in the fisherman's hand. So you don't think the fish being sickly (it was sickly, I have seen the pictures) and skinny has anything to do with its stomach being full of plastics? With a stomach full of plastics, it would have died anyways unless it was somehow able to regurgitate them. Good point about the knife; but there's still no accounting for one stupid fish. Fish take plastic lures all the time. A very productive method for fishing stick baits is to deadstick them. I don't think it has anything to do with "one stupid fish". If people toss their plastics in the water, more than likely fish will eat them. That is what the plastics are designed to do, get eaten. Don't get me wrong, I am not in favor of the proposed legislation, and most of the guys here probably don't throw their used plastics in the water. But to deny that their is anything wrong with tossing plastics in the water when you are done with them is counterproductive. The solution is simple, people need to toss their plastics in the trash, not in the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 You are right SmokeyJ, the fish are not that stupid. We don't go to all this trouble to catch stupid fish. Your points are well made, but probably wasted here, as people who care enough to grace these pages, probably wouldn't dream of making such transgressions. But we can all help to get the message out to those less informed. I'm comfortable with that idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Smokey, I was just joking about the stupid fish thing. You are right about throwing used worms; or anything else for that matter; into the water. There is enough junk in our waterways as it is. Whenever I go fishing I carry out everything I brought as well as I pick up any trash I find and take that out as well. When our club has a tournament we always clean up; not only our trash, but all the trash we find at the launch. In other words, we leave it cleaner than we found it. Also; our club has put garbage cans at most of the launches we use. We have found that most folks will use them if they are there to be used. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charmerbaits Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Fish are definitely not stupid and yes more people need to be conscious of what they are doing and putting in the water. However, I've caught several fish in my life that were in the process of passing plastic lures. Fish have the capability to pass a plastic bait through there body just like any other waste. I don't think the plastics themselves are killing that many fish. Just my opinion. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmokeyJ Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Didn't mean to sound so up in arms about it. Thats what I get for coming here after cruising my normal political blogs Charmer- I am not so sure about a normal sized bass being able to pass plastics, I guess it would depend alot on the size and shape of the plastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Speaking of different sizes of baits; has anyone observed what happens to a senko after it has been in the water for a long period? I've seen some that swell up to almost double their size. Seems to me that if a fish eats something like that and it swells in their guts it may block them off. I don't know this for sure; I'm just making an observation. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
