MGrant Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Just wondering if anyone else noticed the silver holi glitter curling up in heated plastic. It does not do it right away, but if I keep the plastic heated and do a couple runs of molds, by the end the silver holi glitter curles up. The other colors are fine and the plastic is not burned at all. The first baits all look great, but the last baits lose the holi effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Bait Co. Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Where do you get your glitter from. I get mine from dels and senkosams(I just got some and have nout used it yet) I have not had that problem yet. Do you pour with a Lee's pot or the microwave. I use Lee,s pots to pour with so I can control the temp better I keep it about 300 to 310 or a little below 8 on the control knob. I also pour quick as I can though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pastorshane Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 I get the same thing, but I try not to reheat it, he key is use enough molds you don't have to reheat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 If you don't have enough molds to handle what you are mixing then maybe you shoud cut your recipie in half. That way you won't have to reheat so many times. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGrant Posted May 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 I use small pouring pots and heat on an electric stove (Low to medium heat) I watch heating closely stiring very often. I only mix 2oz of plastic at a time. I have two four cavity molds of 4 and 5in worms. I pour four cavities, then have to reheat alittle, pour 4 more, then reheat alittle while I quickly unload the first mold and then pour the last four which runs me out of plastic. I am obviously a low volumn pourer, just what I need for me. I tried this glitter from FishingWorld.com. (thought I would give them a try) I do not have a problem with any of the other glitter, just the holi. I am definitly not scorching the plastic, I am keeping it stirred and it is less than 15min per pot of plastic from the time I start heating to the last pour. I am just wondering if the glitter is not that great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Bait Co. Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 I had made this mistake when I started to pour. Do you mix the glitter in after its hot or when you start to heat it up? You mabe right just crappy glitter. They could of mixed some hobby store glitter in if they were low to finish orders. Just until theirs came in you never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pastorshane Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 My holo glitter curles only on the reheat. If don,t have to add heat to it more than once it is fine. I definately don't recommend it to any one else!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 When you say "electric stove" do you mean a kitchen stove or a hotplate? Kitchen stoves are designed for one thing only and that's to cook. Their temp contorls are not very precise and tend to lean more on the hotter side. If this is what you are using you need to get a hotplate. You can get a double burner for about $20 on sale. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhahn427 Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Been looking for a double burner hotplate ........ what companies put them on sale for $20 ......... I need to know where to watch for a sale ...... everyone I've seen is around $40 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGrant Posted May 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 I do not mix color or glitter in until I am ready to pour and plastic is at temp. It is a kitchen stove, but it works very well for controling heat (Nice stove), but I understand that it is still not ideal. I used a thermometer to check temps when I was getting started. I would like to get a hot plate, just have not purchased one yet. Must just be some bad glitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 I'm in Canada and I got mine on sale at Canadian Tire I think it was $25 Cdn at the time which would have made it around $20 Usd. I'm not knocking your stove (I'm sure it's a nice one) but I'm saying they are not designed for doing what you are doing. The temp control needs to be a reostat type. This will give you much better heat control. There is a temp to get your plastic to the pouring stage and a slightly lower temp is needed to "keep" the plastic pourable. Now all that being said; the longer you keep the holi in the heat, the more chance it will curl or loose it's reflective ability. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Bait Co. Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Try getting a couple of pots fromLure Craft thier $62 for the small one. You may like them. They are pretty easy to use and clean. Temp stays pretty constant too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Sock Posted May 21, 2008 Report Share Posted May 21, 2008 just use a microwave and some better glitter, on reheats you will get the feel for how long to reheat in the micro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james bradshaw Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Not all glitters are created equal. They can react different from color to color, manufacturer to manufacturer. If it curls then try to pour faster and at lower heat. If it bleads then the same applies. If it doesn't work for your process then find another supplier. You will almost always find that when you call a supplier with a problem they will tell you that they have never had any complaints with that product. If they tell you that then they are probably either lying or you are going beyond the limitations of that material that maybe you didn't know of. I personally have received glitter from suppliers that the supplier claims it would take 350 deg, but the reality was that it wouldn't keep from bleeding for fifteen minutes at 320 deg. wich ruined several gallons of plastic on several different times. Sometimes you just have to find what works for you by trial and error. Lure Craft is one company that knows from experience how there products perform. Don't take anyones word on how there product performs, try it for yourself. Just my two cents! James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Bait Co. Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Doesn't the glitter react different in the microwave comparied to a Lee's pot? I thought the reheats destroyed the glitter faster or you can reheat it twice before it bleeds or curles as I was told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Doesn't the glitter react different in the microwave comparied to a Lee's pot? I thought the reheats destroyed the glitter faster or you can reheat it twice before it bleeds or curles as I was told. no it all reacts to heat, doesnt make any difference if its in the microwave a lee pot or a stove. dont make no difference how many reheats you do either. if you don't go above the temp that melts or deforms the glitter you wont have any problems. the reason the reheats are ruining glitter is becuase they are not reheating correctly and they put mor heat into than needed to reheat. The proper Way to reheat is to get a fresh batch of plastic and cook it, then break the stuff to be reheated into small chunks and stir it into till its mixed and melted. there is NO other way to correctly Reheat plastic. yes there are other ways we do it but its not correct and thats what causes the plastic to turn yellow/burn etc. All halo glitters at high temps will curl and bleed, halo glitters are not Alum based glitters that can use more heat. ( they are the plastic ones I forget the name of them oops). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 What I have found in my own experiance is that if I'm in a hurry there is more of a chance to burn the plastic or curl the glitter. You tend to heat a higher temp or give it just that extra 10 seconds in the micro. That is where I always got into trouble. That being said there is one glitter that I like to curl on purpose and that is the large black glitter. I like the effect of it turning into black rods instead of staying flat. So, I will give that one just a little more heat; just enough to curl it but not enough to scorch the plastic or make the glitter bleed. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Bait Co. Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Thanks Delw for the info. I use Lee's pots and I heat it up at a slow temp when I reheat. I have learned to make what I need so I don't reheat as often. I don't have much space to store plastic that is made up. I just keep a few tail colors around so I don't have to make a new one every time. I don't put flake in to many of them anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
