BlazerSC Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 I just recently got my second gallon of Calhoun 1207 soft plastic and after setting on the bench a few days it looks like a jug of two part epoxy. The top 1/3 to 1/2 is a yellow color and the bottom is white is this normal? I only ask because my first gallon never did this after over a month it has always been solid white. What could be the difference in the two jugs of plastic? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 I just recently got my second gallon of Calhoun 1207 soft plastic and after setting on the bench a few days it looks like a jug of two part epoxy. The top 1/3 to 1/2 is a yellow color and the bottom is white is this normal? I only ask because my first gallon never did this after over a month it has always been solid white. What could be the difference in the two jugs of plastic? Thanks its normal, but its not the plastic in most cases its the plastic bottles that it comes packaged in. some bottles we get from the bottle company shows it more yellow than others, it blew my mind a few tmes as well. due to a cap problem April has been getting differnt jugs from different places. its been more noticable in the last 2 months as far as the jugs go. However. I have has some tint of yellow come in the softener that sits on top of the drum before we mix it, when we get it shipped. it comes out clear when its mixed heated and poured, which is weird. I think that what happens is the volume of the softener in this case is magnified. the softener part isnt crystal clear but it also has heat stabilizer in it. Calhoun told me one time that the yellow tinit is due to the heat stabilizers put into the plastic. as heat stabilizer is not clear it has a yellow tint to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickemslew Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Try M-F plastic, There is no yellowing and no settle at the bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Try M-F plastic, There is no yellowing and no settle at the bottom. Calhoun doesnt settle it separates just like MF both still need to be shaken . Also yellowing is caused by over heating not the plastic itself. The yellowing blazer is talking about has no bearing on the finished product. for example I can take any brand of plastic and put a few drops of black in it, shake it up and its a grayish tint, when you cook it it will come out as clear as water you will never know there was black colorant in it. this is one trick hand pourers have been doing for years on clear baits. dark blue works also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazerSC Posted June 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Sorry guys I don't think I explained that properly, it's not the jug its the plastic inside that has separated. When I shake it up it looks just like the other jug all white. I have seen NO difference in the baits at all I was just wondering why this one separated and the other had not. I am not complaining I am inexperienced with this stuff and just looking to gain knowledge. This pouring has made my fishing alot more fun. I was thinking of mixing the 2 jugs like you do with paint to keep the consistancy in my baits is this a good or bad idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Sorry guys I don't think I explained that properly, it's not the jug its the plastic inside that has separated. When I shake it up it looks just like the other jug all white. I have seen NO difference in the baits at all I was just wondering why this one separated and the other had not. I am not complaining I am inexperienced with this stuff and just looking to gain knowledge. This pouring has made my fishing alot more fun.I was thinking of mixing the 2 jugs like you do with paint to keep the consistancy in my baits is this a good or bad idea? I knew it was the plastic that separates. Calhoun is more noticable, as far as why the difference between the 2 batchs good question, it may have been that your last container was packaged up and sitting on the shelf longer than the first one. When we get the drums we mix the drum for 12-16 hours automatically. then pour in the containers, you could have gotten a batch right after we mixed and the second one while be in the same batch as its been sitting on the shelf. hard to say we get 200-300 gals at a time. No matter what plastic you use it needs to be thourghly mixed to get the best consistancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazerSC Posted June 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Thanks Del, I mixed the 2 jugs and made two batches and the baits are the same I'm just trying to learn all I can. Just wanted to tell you the Del-Mart Pumpkin color is awesome!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longhorn Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 From my personal experience I've found that Calhoun's is quick to separate but easy to recombine with a little stirring. LC separates more slowly but is harder to recombine because the settled part sticks to the bottom of the jug but it will recombine with more stirring. MF does not separate that I can tell but I always shake the jug a little anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickemslew Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Try M-F plastic, There is no yellowing and no settle at the bottom. It was just a suggestion, I dont see any yellow in my five gallon or any seperation. It just seems del is very defensive to every thread. Is TU open to the public or is this just a click you have to be in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 It was just a suggestion, I dont see any yellow in my five gallon or any seperation. It just seems del is very defensive to every thread. Is TU open to the public or is this just a click you have to be in? Call it what you will, How ever I will stick up for lurecraf amd Mf aslo and have if there is a problem. I am stateing facts and specifics, whats happens on a forum is things get taken way way out of context. and people jump to conclusions for example. if a guy posts I have bubbles in my plastic ( any manufacturer) you will get 600 replies all different, some people saying this plastic is no good that plastic is no good its your colors or this or that etc etc. or a very typical problem "I have to use alot of drops of colorant" there are 2 correct answers for this. one the person is using salt in the baits and the most common one that is done by every one including my self sometimes. is colorants settle very badly and they need to be shaking up extreamly well befor each use.Btw its best to put 2 1/4-20 nuts in each bottle. when the problem could be the additives. In these forums over the years WAY too many people give answers and they dont have specifics. which could be the wrong answer. This is why it is very important for guys haveing problems with ANYTHING to give specifics on every detail. Its kinda like someone posting about a boat problem, " my boat won't get on plane" there are 600 answers but if the guy specifcally said "my boat wont get on plane on a lake in the mountains which is 7500 feet elevation " then it would be much easier to figure the problem out. sorry if I sound technical but that is the only way a problem will get solved or fixed. Delw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazerSC Posted June 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 I'm kinda sorry I started this but Del did make a good point. I was the guy that posted on the Del-mart Forum about using so much color to get the color right and was asked if I was shaking up the color and of course I was. Del told me to put a couple 1/4-20 nuts in the bottle and shake it up and right away I'm using less than half the amount of color I was using. See those are the kind of tips I am looking for on these forums not product wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike-A-Pike Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 I seriously doubt many of us can intelligently discuss the cause and effect of why different manufactured plastic has one property over another or lacks a property that the others seem to have. Earlier, I saw that we now have a retired scientist who did all sorts of different testing before hanging up his lab coat who is looking forward to pouring his own plastics in the near future. One of his first threads was titled, "POP vs Durham Water Putty" and I think he did a great job; very logical presentation stating the Objective, Results, and Conclusions of his testing. Maybe, as HJS gets more into this hobby, he will find himself in a position to do some additional independent testing on the various properties and common issues of pouring plastics. I would just remind folks to approach the subjects being discussed in the different forums a little more open minded and remember that we all have a right to contribute our experiences, opinions, and conclusions. Enjoy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 no reason to be sorry blazer, not your fault, its a public forum so to speak with many different opinions likes and dislikes. Iv'e owned forums for years and year even before tu was around its a nature of the beast, then you throw in manufacturers into the mix of users and you will have some issues. it happens it will never change and we all need to deal with it like there is. Bruce, there are 5 different brands of plastic, actually more but 5 major ones. they all look different at this time or that time. however they all produce the same results. Hardness can't be counted in for a difference in plastic companies because every company has a different hardness and its user controlable, meaning that a user can add hardener or softener to manipulate the plastic. for example we dont sell a super soft plastic only because I don't want to mess with it. I can have calhoun mix a batch up for me or I can mix my own its as simple as adding softener. but I want the same consistancy all the time and dont want to mess with it. not to mention almost ever bait pourer likes a different feel as well as every customer. then of cource if I or calhoun or anyone for that matter makes one mistake in the hardness or softness the manufacturer will hear about it. Most of the time but not all the user is in control of the plastic as far as consistancy, if they don't mix it thourghly they will get a completely different result. we have seen it on this forum many times, guys have sticky baits or the plastic wont set. its not the plastic its due to mixing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike-A-Pike Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 (edited) ...for example we dont sell a super soft plastic only because I don't want to mess with it. I can have calhoun mix a batch up for me or I can mix my own its as simple as adding softener. but I want the same consistancy all the time and dont want to mess with it. not to mention almost ever bait pourer likes a different feel as well as every customer. then of cource if I or calhoun or anyone for that matter makes one mistake in the hardness or softness the manufacturer will hear about it. Most of the time but not all the user is in control of the plastic as far as consistancy, if they don't mix it thourghly they will get a completely different result. we have seen it on this forum many times, guys have sticky baits or the plastic wont set. its not the plastic its due to mixing. Del, Basically, I agree with what your saying. There are too many variables beyond the control of the manufactures, things that are influenced intentionally or unintentionally by the guy mixing, heating, pouring, bagging, oiling, or any other process individual to their production method. It seems like everyone is cooking the same food with out a recipe and complaining when anyone else's comes out looking or tasting different. You know what they say about to many cooks... OR Maybe it's just been a long week waiting for the A/C guy to fix the air conditioning and I'm a little cranky... Edited June 10, 2008 by Spike-A-Pike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickemslew Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 I knew it was the plastic that separates. Calhoun is more noticable, as far as why the difference between the 2 batchs good question, it may have been that your last container was packaged up and sitting on the shelf longer than the first one.When we get the drums we mix the drum for 12-16 hours automatically. then pour in the containers, you could have gotten a batch right after we mixed and the second one while be in the same batch as its been sitting on the shelf. hard to say we get 200-300 gals at a time. No matter what plastic you use it needs to be thourghly mixed to get the best consistancy. del, I didnt realize he bought this calhoun plastic from you. One would of thought your customers would contact you directly if he/she didnt want an open thread on this topic. Although you seem to have the most knowledge in the soft plastic industry, you might just rub a few people wrong sometimes ?. Thanks for all your input, and again it was just a suggestion on my part and I can leave it at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
