King Bait Co. Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 I have seen jigs, spinnerbaits and buzzbaits hand tied is that better than the rubberband style? If so what the benafit of hand tied? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basseducer Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 King Bait, I tie all my wire baits unless otherwise requested. The reasons I like it this way are. The skirt does not slide down the shaft of the hook even after application of scent oil. I can also get better patterns that don't rotate, if I put some accent color on the belly it stays on the belly. Plus 12-15 wraps of threat is cheaper than the skirt bands. I use nylon upholstery thread and seal the knots with super glue and it does not dry out and crack like the bands. Some companies claim that the bands allow you to make quick color changes, but I figure thatif you are going to change the skirt you might as well change the jig cause its probably time to re-tie anyway. After saying all that you'll probably loose the jig before the skirt becomes an issue. TJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turkeylegs1246 Posted July 6, 2008 Report Share Posted July 6, 2008 Hand tied is that better than the rubberband style. Maybe, When the rubberband style oxidizes the stands fall off or they slip on the bait. As Basseducer pointed out you lack the ability with hand wrapped skirts to make quick color changes. That sucks but nothing like opening a tacklebox and finding all your skirts won't stay on your lure. Think I'm going to start hand tying myself. Thanks for the stimulus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Bait Co. Posted July 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 Thanks I have noticed on some sites that tie theirs they have a better color choice than your banded ones. I think when I start making my own jigs and buzzbaits I am going to tie them on. Thanks agian! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 KBC, Definitely hand tied. Whether you use wire or thread. I hand tie all my spinnerbaits for my own use for the same reason Basseducer said. Spinnerbaits are notorious for skirts sliding down the hook shaft with banded collars. Jigs on the other hand are not so bad. Believe it or not lot of my customers do not want hand tied jigs and spinnerbaits, even though I explain the benefits. Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishinME Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 What type of thread do you guys use? I am not familiar with upholstery thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basseducer Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 FishinME, I use nylon uphlstery thread from the Walmart fabric section. It is very strong, resists rotting and comes in a variety of colors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troul Hawk Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 Any of you fellas ever try that acetate floss and then the solvent to weld it together? I like to tie in at least three or four whip knots to my jigs ( never have figured out that whip finish tool) and if I could just tie one knot then hit it with solvent, it might make it a touch faster. Then again, some times these things just don't work like I would imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishinME Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 Thanks Basseducer... That will head me in the right direction. Unfortunately, they are slowly getting rid of the fabric departments in Walmarts around my area. My wife does enough sewing and visiting of fabric shops that she can keep me informed. Basseducer, what colors do you use and what colors of the threads are available? Troul Hawk - Youtube has some great videos that show how to use a whip finish tool. It does not seem that difficult to do, but I have yet to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike-A-Pike Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 As I start to feel some of the consequences of my exciting, mis-spent youth, I find that eyes and fingers no longer allow me to pursue my tackle making the same way I used to. Getting old !!! One recent addition to my tackle making process includes adding a skirt collar (either rubber or brass) to help keep the skirt in place. For bass and pike applications, this has worked very well and keeps the skirt in place. Muskies can really beat up tackle and I have taken to using a "Zip tie" (aka: wire tie), in addition to a skirt band, to really anchor the skirt in place. Good luck and tight lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troul Hawk Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 LOL, that tool is crazy. I can do a whip finish with my fingers no problemo. So mine will stay in it's slot taunting me. 10 years of tying flies and jigs, and I still :pissed:that tool. Sorry to hijack the thread.....NOW back to thread vs. wire. vs. rubber bands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike-A-Pike Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 Sorry to hijack the thread.....NOW back to thread vs. wire. vs. rubber bands. WHO HIJACKED A THREAD??? Have they sent a list of their demands??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basseducer Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 FishinME, I try to match the thread color to the lure color mostly red, black, brown and green. You can also try an upholstery shop, you might even get it bulk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishinME Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 Thanks, that is exactly what I was thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Bait Co. Posted July 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 FishinMe do you guys got Hobby Lobby or a store that is all crafts. Hobby Lobby has a whole wall of thread in every color you could dream of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishinME Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 Oh yeah, we got em. I was just wondering what type of thread was being used. Do you guys find these craft store threads better or cheaper than what is in the luremaking catalogs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Bait Co. Posted July 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 I would think they are because you don't have to pay the shipping. Unless its cheaper to have them sent to your house than drive to the store with the gas prices right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turkeylegs1246 Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 Video on how to use the [/b]:newWindow('/ftb/Matarelli.mov')"]Matarelli Whip-finish Tool and two other methods. I learn from a similar video. Get the hang of using one....it's neat! 3 Ways to Finish a Fly, by Gary and Jason borger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turkeylegs1246 Posted July 7, 2008 Report Share Posted July 7, 2008 I don't know what happened. Somehow two links appear. The second one works! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLT Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 I love my whip tool! It did take a few tries and watching the videos, but I won't even bother trying to do it by hand. I use up to a 3 oz. jig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troul Hawk Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 Great video links!! the second video I can do. The third... nope. Shhhhhhhhhhhh Spike. It's THEM. The blue people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted July 8, 2008 Report Share Posted July 8, 2008 The Matereli is fine on jigs but man you best learn to do it by hand for spinnerbaits and buzzbaits!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLT Posted July 9, 2008 Report Share Posted July 9, 2008 I'm lucky, 95% of the tackle I sell is for saltwater. Not to much demand for spinner/buzz baits for my market sector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Bait Co. Posted July 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 BLT I seen some TV show where they were using buzzbaits in saltwater. I can't rember the fish they were going for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSC Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 KBC It was more likely for Red Fish in the shallows . They can really blow up on one .. I catch them Bass Fishing here at the mouth of the river. Can get exiciting. JSC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
