Fishnut1 Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Ok, here's the problem. On spinnerbaits the split ring on my ball bearing swivel is very small and slips from the wire bend which results in loosing a blade/swivel. Does anyone have any tips for a better connection which would prevent the swivel from slipping out?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassn1 Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 I've had that problem with titainium (sp?) wire spinnerbaits. A simple fix is to take a piece of electrical shink tubing and shink it over the blade arm leaving enough of a hole for the split ring. Worked for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike-A-Pike Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 A picture would make it easier to give advise - it may be a problem for others too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassn1 Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 I'd love to post a pic but I don't have camera that takes close ups. I should have said... slide the tubing on, attach the swivel, slide the tubing up to bend in the wire and shrink it. Leaving enough of a space so the swivel has enough room to move. hope this makes things a bit clearer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj21xd Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 you could bend/twist a loop in the end of the wire, also. the video of the wire bender on hagen's site shows this. a buddy of mine makes all his s'baits this way & it's impossible for the ring to come off unless it's straightened out - split ring, not wire shaft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkin Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 You are not closing the loop enough, what are you using to make the bend? I use a set of round bend pliers which work a lot better than needle nose. Like others have posted you can wrap the wire so it is a closed loop (I have never done this) or I have seen pics of baits that the wire gap has been soldered shut. I plan on trying the solder thing but for me it is not necessary as I haven't lost a blade in 3 years. Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishnut1 Posted July 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 What are round bend pliers?? I have been using needle nose to form the loop and trying to squeeze the loop shut. The ball bearing swivels I'm using have very tiny split rings and they sometimes slip off. The idea of using shrink wrap sounds good but I may try using it another way. Slip a small piece of shrink wrap on the wire arm prior to bending the loop. Start the loop bend and slide the shrink wrap up and close bend against it. The shrink wrap should take up any gap. Maybe use colored piece of shrink wrap for added attraction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turkeylegs1246 Posted July 17, 2008 Report Share Posted July 17, 2008 (edited) Round bend pliers are like needle nose pliers except the jaws are round and generally tapered. Smaller sizes are available as jeweler's pliers at Wal-Mart. Larger round nose pliers are usually listed in tackle catalogues such as Barlows. The cheap jewelers plies(round nose) work fine for smaller diameter wire. Here's a link to Barlow's selection of round nose pliers: Barlows Tackle Shop: Browsing Round Nose Pliers - 5 Styles Edited July 17, 2008 by turkeylegs1246 add a link for round nose pliers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basseducer Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 Fishnut1, I just posted this on another thread. You may not have to add all that extra stuff. Hope this helps. Here is what I do. I form the loop at the end of the wire with a wire bender or round nose pliers. Then I attach the split ring with the blade on it. Then I finish closing the loop with my pliers until the tip of the wire is to one side of the main wire and just breaking its plane. (It will look like you went too far). By going past the plane it creates tension to keep the loop closed when you do step 4. Then I take my needle nose and gently pull the tip into line with the main wire. Wiggle the end to make sure the tip does not pop back out to the side. If it pops to one side repeat step 4 until it stays aligned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkin Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 I use the black round nose nesting pliers that are in the link turkeylegs posted. Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike-A-Pike Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Munkin - Did that resolve your problem getting the wire bent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkin Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 Munkin - Did that resolve your problem getting the wire bent? You just need to bend the loop as round as you can. When bending the loop bend until the tip is about 1mm past the blade wire. After you remove the pliers the wire will flex back enough it should now be touching or close enough that the split ring will not pass. All that it takes is some practice to get it right. Now I do use .032 or .035 light wire so that maybe helping me? Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishnut1 Posted July 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Thanks. Looks like I'll be buying a set of pliers. I'm sure the loops will be neater than what I'm making with longnose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munkin Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 Thanks. Looks like I'll be buying a set of pliers. I'm sure the loops will be neater than what I'm making with longnose. I plan on borrowing a friends camera to make some videos on how to use different fishing lures. I will video me bending one and see if I can post it here? It took me longer to type this than to bend a round loop in a spinnerbait. Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clamboni Posted July 25, 2008 Report Share Posted July 25, 2008 (edited) Fishnut1,I just posted this on another thread. You may not have to add all that extra stuff. Hope this helps. Here is what I do. I form the loop at the end of the wire with a wire bender or round nose pliers. Then I attach the split ring with the blade on it. Then I finish closing the loop with my pliers until the tip of the wire is to one side of the main wire and just breaking its plane. (It will look like you went too far). By going past the plane it creates tension to keep the loop closed when you do step 4. Then I take my needle nose and gently pull the tip into line with the main wire. Wiggle the end to make sure the tip does not pop back out to the side. If it pops to one side repeat step 4 until it stays aligned. Always works for me.........Only time I've lost blades is when the split rings on the swivel weren't heavy enough for huge colorado blades and they straighten. This is also using .031 wire. I like this way better than what Munkin said because the tension in the wire holds the loop closed. You just have to make sure it stays straight. The loop ends up being a little crooked to one side. Just bend it slightly past the arm to the other side and it usually holds straight. Edited July 25, 2008 by clamboni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassman843 Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 I was looking at barlows selection of round nose pliers are there any one choice better than the other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clamboni Posted August 11, 2008 Report Share Posted August 11, 2008 I was looking at barlows selection of round nose pliers are there any one choice better than the other Wouldn't know..........I don't use them personally. I use my little blue bender for everything and a small pair of needle noses to tighten up loops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glaucus Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Ok, here's the problem. On spinnerbaits the split ring on my ball bearing swivel is very small and slips from the wire bend which results in loosing a blade/swivel. Does anyone have any tips for a better connection which would prevent the swivel from slipping out?? Grind the end of the wire to a 45* angle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clamboni Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Good idea, just don't heat the wire too much or you'll anneal it. Loses a lot of strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...