RobRaven Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 I just wonder if any of u guys have any experience pouring it?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobRaven Posted October 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 No one huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zbass Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Don't even know what that is. Is dragonskin a brand name? Zbass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 RobRaven, maybe a pic would help stir up some ideas. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobRaven Posted October 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Dragon Skin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 What do you plan to use it for? It reads like a latex type product, but it is a 2 part, so is a very soft RTV. Probably would make a good one piece mold, allowing you to make almost round sections and still allowing you to remove the casting. Might be too stiff for a bait, but only a test will give you the answer. Also, a long time to wait for a bait to cure. Keep us informed. I forgot to check the price. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HJS Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 RobRaven - What a coincidence, I just logged-on to TU to ask the good people here the same question. Unlike most guys on TU who pour plastics for freshwater applications, I use my home-pours mostly on the Chesapeake Bay targeting striped bass and what ever else is biting in the salt. For the past 2 months the C-Bay has been inundated with blues ranging in size from 14"-20", more than we've had for a very long time. 30-50-100 blues per boat is not unusual. Guys are ODing on blues!!! They've had enough! Blues get in the way of catching stripers. Blues are intense predators of baitfish and have a row of teeth that a piranha for die for. They absolutely love soft plastics and absolutely destroy soft plastics in one bite. Generally I catch only 1 or 2 blues before there's nothing left but a nub of plastics. Do the math, when blues are plentiful they can destroy 20-30+ 4" paddletails in one day, $$$$$, ouch! As of recent, a couple of C-Bay fishermen reported using a soft plastic baitfish imitations called Zulus. They are soft, very stretchy (like a rubberband), VERY tuff and can withstand the ravages of blues much better than traditional soft plastics. So I logged to TU to get the skinny from the experts on this new type of soft plastics... and there is RobRaven's post. Looks like Dragon Skin is what I was looking for. Based on the Dragon Skin website, its a 2 part type of soft plastics, much like 2-part epoxy. It sets up by chemical reaction, not by cooling like the stuff we normally use. I didn't read the whole site so I'm just guessing there is no microwave heating needed, just mix the 2 ingredients together and start pouring really fast before it gets hard. I'm guessing that wrecked Dragon Skin plastics CANNOT be remelted, which so far is my only source of soft plastic for pouring new lures, so that's a down side for me. Cost $28 for 2 one pound containers, 1 is plastic and the other is the hardener, used in a 1:1 ratio. Two pounds ain't much! I'm roughly guessing the cost would be a fair bit more per lure that of traditional soft plastics. But Dragon Skin just might be worth it when fishing for blues. Too late for this year, blues will exit the C-Bay shortly as the water cools. Maybe experimenting with Dragon Skin will be a good winter project For you inland guys I attached a pic showing 2 blues (top & bottom fish, both ~18") plus a striped bass and Spanish mackerel I caught in the C-Bay during mid-September on home-poured 4" paddletail Bass Assassins. Laying on top of the bottom blue is a tiny baitfish the blues were barfing up in the boat by the dozens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kajan Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 HJS, you actually eat blue fish???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HJS Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Kajan - I'm guessing you are not a fan of eating blue. But yeah, pan-sized blue are a favorite of mine. My preferred size is 11"-15". Anything larger gets objectionably fishier & fishier with each additional inch. The ones I keep are immediately buried in the ice, not just set on top. They are kept ice cold until they hit the oven. 11"-15" blue keep fair in the freezer but only for a couple weeks tops. I only reason I keep two 18" blues that day in the pic is they were the smallest ones we caught. We ate those fresh and they were borderline fishy but still quite acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhahn427 Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 HJS ........ I'm in Balto and make lures for the Chesapeake ....... my email is rhahn427@yahoo.com ....... email me and let's compare notes ......... BTW I have a sample pack of their products (just casted pucks) including Dragon Skin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kajan Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 Kajan - I'm guessing you are not a fan of eating blue. . LOL, No, not for eatin for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattlures Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 The plastic used in those durrable stretchy baits is not dragon skin. That would be very expensive. You need to use the 3x type of rubber/plastic. I would contact Delw. I think he carries it. It can be remelted and used again. Its biggest downsides are it has to me melted with actual heat, A microwave will not work. And it will not take the oil based pigments used for plastisol. You need to use a powder form of pigments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted October 12, 2008 Report Share Posted October 12, 2008 Geluflex is re-meltable rubber, similar to what you just described. I found that melting it in a pan, on a gas ring, required a football field on a windy day. The fumes were choking. I then used the microwave. I found this to be the best way to go, much easier and no scorching. Not sure what the price is, but more expensive than plastisol. It is available in three hardnesses. Not sure about coloring. It is the stuff I used in the vacu-vent tests. http://www.tackleunderground.com/forum/soft-plastics/11056-hairy-worm-2.html See post 15. A lot of this plastic has already been re-melted a few times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
