Jig Man Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 I just came by some Mustad hooks. There are at least 2000 of them and maybe as many as 2500. They are 91768BLN 4/0 and 3/0 91764BR 32798BLN I haven't used any of these before. Are they all quality hooks for jigs and tube inserts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 I consider all Mustad jigs bread and butter jigs. Yes those are good quality hooks. I personally like Mustads over Gami's, because Mustad's stay sharper longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassrecord Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 ... I personally like Mustads over Gami's, because Mustad's stay sharper longer. Do you mean "When new stay sharper longer" or do you mean, "When re-sharpened, stay sharper longer" or do you mean "Gamis need re-sharpened more frequently than Mustads do". Or is this a statement based upon your experiences and observations? How do you measure "stay sharper longer"? This is such an important feature of any fish hook to me and I'd like to find some quantative way to measure the overall "sharpeness" attribute. I can measure pound or kilogram break point in eye, shaft, bend and hook point but I can't figure how to measure "Sharpness" or "Stays sharp longer." Any thoughts would be helpful. Thanks. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagacious Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 How do you measure "stay sharper longer"? ... I can measure pound or kilogram break point in eye, shaft, bend and hook point but I can't figure how to measure "Sharpness" or "Stays sharp longer." ...Thanks. John Well, you asked for "opinions" and that's what you got, but it seems you actually want experimentally-supported scientific data. What do you mean by "quality hooks"? That term has no real meaning. Mustad is indeed a popular brand-- anything more than that is opinion. To satisfy your empirical curiosity, I'd suggest using the metallurgical term toughness as a defining term for the ability of a hook's point to retain sharpness during use ("stays sharp longer"). No fisherman is likely to have a metallurgical lab set up to do Charpy impact tests on hook steels to quantify toughness, so the best info you're likely to get is a real-world opinion, such as the one Cadman provided. However, if you're already capable of destructively-testing hooks-- as you noted above-- you can relatively easily do qualitative impact testing on hooks and compare the brittle to ductile percentage within the fracture, and thereby determine the relative toughness between hooks. If you really want hard data, that's the methodology I'd recommend. Please share your results here. Personally, I arbitrarily measure hook sharpness by the ability of the point to hang on a fingernail, and stays sharper longer by whichever hook maintains that standard during use, well, longer. Hope this helps, good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Do you mean "When new stay sharper longer" or do you mean, "When re-sharpened, stay sharper longer" or do you mean "Gamis need re-sharpened more frequently than Mustads do". Or is this a statement based upon your experiences and observations?How do you measure "stay sharper longer"? This is such an important feature of any fish hook to me and I'd like to find some quantative way to measure the overall "sharpeness" attribute. I can measure pound or kilogram break point in eye, shaft, bend and hook point but I can't figure how to measure "Sharpness" or "Stays sharp longer." Any thoughts would be helpful. Thanks. John My answer is only based on my use and what many of my customers tell me and there requests. I have no scientific way of measuring sharpness. I doubt my customers do either. Most of my orders are for Mustad Ultra-Point hooks. Some guys say Mustads stay sharper longer after being used. I have some die hard Gami guys that will only buy those hooks. They claim that those hooks are the sharpest hooks made on the market. I myself personally like the Mustads, I have used both hooks and I don't see that much of a difference to pay 40 cents more for Gami's. However I'm not a hook specialist. I test my hook sharpness the way Sagacious does. I think you will get a wide variety of answers here. Some with a lot more knowledge than I have........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassrecord Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Well, you asked for "opinions" and that's what you got, but it seems you actually want experimentally-supported scientific data. .... Yes opinions are what I wanted also and thank you very much for yours. I hope we're not changing the original post's intent and apologize for any deviating. I was hoping for hard data in some usable form. I use my left thumbnail to test hook sharpness. Dad showed me this tip about 60 years ago. He used it and a whetstone to keep his spinner baits and trailer hooks super sharp. A lot of people must use this technique - and have been for some time. Today I take a diamond hook file out on the water and file the ridges on my left thumbnail flat and smooth then hold my hook at 45 to 60 degrees, pull from cuticle to thumb end and hope for a point bite - if not then file away! The hooks I must use today (kink shank) do not seem to be nearly as sharp from the manufacturer as others that are on the market. I was hoping to hear of a better way to field test sharpness. To satisfy your empirical curiosity, I'd suggest using the metallurgical term toughness as a defining term for the ability of a hook's point to retain sharpness during use ("stays sharp longer"). No fisherman is likely to have a metallurgical lab set up to do Charpy impact tests on hook steels to quantify toughness, so the best info you're likely to get is a real-world opinion, such as the one Cadman provided. However, if you're already capable of destructively-testing hooks-- as you noted above-- you can relatively easily do qualitative impact testing on hooks and compare the brittle to ductile percentage within the fracture, and thereby determine the relative toughness between hooks. If you really want hard data, that's the methodology I'd recommend. Please share your results here. Will do if I ever get off into this area. Thanks. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike-A-Pike Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 I think a large part of this discussion depends on the intended fish you're trying to hook up. I personally like VMC (treble and single) hooks for the Northern Pike and Muskies. As long as I get a good hook set and the fish in the boat, it was sharp enough... Hook failure in not an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr316 Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 I think Gammis are sharper out of the box, if you look at em there point is thinner, and sharper they roll easier and because of the thinner point the roll is not sharpenable. There barb is also set further back meaning you have to stick the fish with more force to get the barb to a point where it can hold. I dont use gammi's period (well besides there skip gap hook, I love that hook). For any exposed hook (no weedguard) it is all Mustad, for a guarded hook I go with a Owner Cutting point hook, wickedly sharp and very strong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
