longhorn10 Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 I have recently starting pouring my own football jigs and am having some issues with the powder paint I am using chipping off way to easy when fishing. I have been using the Pro-Tec powder paint and been been applying just as the instructions say. I thought maybe I needed a top epoxy coat so I got some Devcon 2 ton and even with two coats of that I still can keep the paint on. I will use a jig for maybe an hour and just about all the paint has come off. I know I am fishing rocks but other jigs I have used previously have lasted much longer. Could I be doing something wrong? I bake them for 20 minutes @ 350. Should I be using a different type of paint? Thanks for any help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljaw Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 While all paint chips when fishing rocks, it'll usually last longer than an hour so you may have some issues. First thing is the lead you are using, if it's too soft you may be getting alot of dents in the jig which will lead to your paint chipping, it also may be when you are painting them, if you cast your jigs and let them sit for a week or 2 before painting they may be oxidizing which will keep the paint from completely bonding to the lead and if you are using devcon as a top coat and it's still chipping in the same amount of time, then I would have to say it's a matter of your lead being too soft for the conditions you're fishing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplextackle Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Are Your Jigs Clean Before You Apply The Paint i Can Smash My Jigs With A Hammer And No Paint Will Chip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiTackleGuy Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 (edited) Are Your Jigs Clean Before You Apply The Paint Does it really matter if the lead is oxidized or not? For liquid paints I know it matters for a fact. But with powder...? I'd tend to think that any oxidation (unless it is very heavily oxidized) would be a non issue once the jig is heated for dipping in the powder. But that is just an educated guess. Edited January 26, 2009 by WiTackleGuy formatting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplextackle Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 lead must be clean for good adhesion, otherwise the paint will only be a shell around the jig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longhorn10 Posted January 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Maybe its the lead then. I have painted all my jigs right after pouring so i wouldn't think its oxidation and the lead should be clean. I didnt flux the lead....could that be a problem? Should I scuff the paint a little before putting on the Devcon? What do you guys use to apply your epoxy top coat with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplextackle Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 if your painting after pouring than its not the lead. check or adjust your bake time, go to pro-tecs web site and check on color vs time. white should be 15 min other colors are different. make sure oven is pre-heated maybe go a little longer on time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 Longhorn, What kind of lead did you use ? I had this problem when I used soft lead from Sheetrock only. It was a lot of dents on them (as Smalljaw described) and they started to cheap really fast. Now I mix about 60% of hard lead + 40% of soft lead. It works just fine for me. I don't use epoxy on my jigs. Regards, PSV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triplextackle Posted January 26, 2009 Report Share Posted January 26, 2009 (edited) I use mostly pure lead, as It is easier to pore. I also set my time based on when flash over acures in the baking process. I have also had bad batches of powder paint, does this happen with all colors you are using I to have never used epoxy over powder Edited January 26, 2009 by triplextackle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 I have recently starting pouring my own football jigs and am having some issues with the powder paint I am using chipping off way to easy when fishing. I have been using the Pro-Tec powder paint and been been applying just as the instructions say. I thought maybe I needed a top epoxy coat so I got some Devcon 2 ton and even with two coats of that I still can keep the paint on. I will use a jig for maybe an hour and just about all the paint has come off. I know I am fishing rocks but other jigs I have used previously have lasted much longer. Could I be doing something wrong? I bake them for 20 minutes @ 350. Should I be using a different type of paint? Thanks for any help Everything I read that you are doing is correct. Try a different mix like PSV mentioned regarding lead. I also have mentiond before, if you paint your jigs correctly and bake them, you do not need to use an epoxy top coat. I would put epoxy on if I use eyes, and also if I want extra protection, and to make my jigs have more paint depth in color. Does it really matter if the lead is oxidized or not?For liquid paints I know it matters for a fact. But with powder...? I'd tend to think that any oxidation (unless it is very heavily oxidized) would be a non issue once the jig is heated for dipping in the powder. But that is just an educated guess. I have seen some paint failure with oxidized jigs, where the jigs turn gray before painting. Nothing that was too drastic. I also have seen jigs turn white with a chalky residue. It is bad practice to paint over oxidized lead especially if you are selling it. JMHO. BTW with oxidized lead, just drop the jigs in vinegar, and the acid in the vinegar will clean the jig for you. I use mostly pure lead, as It is easier to pore.I also set my time based on when flash over acures in the baking process. I have also had bad batches of powder paint, does this happen with all colors you are using I to have never used epoxy over powder I have a couple question for you. What are you trying to say when you say flash over occurs. Also how do you know if and when this happens? Just curious. Secondly, I hear so much about people saying they get bad batches of paint. I am perplexed at this statement. What does this mean? I use about 20 different brands of powder, and have several hundred pounds at home with over 100 colors. I have yet to have any problem with any powder paint. I also powder paint at work with out any problems from any manufacturer. I'm curious what everyone is trying to say. **If anyone is willing to send me some "bad powder", I would like to experiment with it, and get some test results....** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikel7@mac.com Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Unless i missed it i didn't see where you are baking your jigs. This must be done to harden the paint. I also go one step further and devcon the paint for a truly tough jig.Do a search, there is a mountain of stuff on here about painting jigs. ( if it ain't here it ain't no where ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
