Fish_N_Fool Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Last year I posted my knot I use (The Fish-N-Fool knot) here in a post I called "Knot wars they got it wrong". Well they got it right now because they are tying my knot on the TV show and it is winnning it all!!!!!!!! Man that is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO cool. Be sure to watch next week when my knot goes up against last years winner the palomar for the best knot ever. I have been sharing my knot on my website Fish-N-Fool lures for my customers tmy baits on with for about 3 years now. My website is currently down so dont look for it till spring. But it will be back up in a month or so . I'm just so stoked about Steve Pennaz found my knot here on this site and used it on his show. Tnx TU Rick Lawrence Fish-N-Fool Lures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish_N_Fool Posted February 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 (edited) If you would like to see my knot tied on Knot Wars you can see it here. This is last weeks show where it was up against the Miller knot and it won against it. This weeks show is not up yet but it went up head to head agaist the grinner knot and beat it also. Next week bring on the Palamar for the season final and I have tested my knot against the Palamar and it wins hands down so I predict a victory for the Fish-N-Fool knot for the best knot of all time. WAY COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL sorry but I'm beside myself here. Tnx again to TU FNF See my knot here North American Fisherman Magazine - Video & Podcasts Edited February 4, 2009 by Fish_N_Fool booboo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish_N_Fool Posted February 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 (edited) I can't believe that nobody here cares that I developed probably the best fishing knot of all time for tying on a hook to line. It is best braid and mono, but does ok with Floro also. So no comments at all? I mean come on guys it is national TV and I'm just trying to share a great idea I had. Sorry but I just found it odd that NOBODY has commented on this. If I don't blow my own horn who will? lol If you would like to watch it on TV, the "Knot Wars" segment of The N. American Fisherman it will be on Versus Ch. (channel 151 on Dishnetwork and channel 603 on Direct TV) at 7:30 AM Pac. and again at 10:00AM tomorrow morning Friday Feb. 6. when my knot goes up against the Grinner knot. This has already aired so I know I won that one. Then on Sunday Feb. 8 at 8:30 AM Pac. the finals will air. Thats when my knot will go up against what most people THINK is the best knot of all time, the Palomar, that won Knot Wars last year. I'm confident the Fish-N-Fool Knot will win it all. Please check it out, then tie one yourself. For being a super strong knot it's really very ez to tie. Edited February 6, 2009 by Fish_N_Fool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diemai Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 (edited) @ Fish_N_Fool Don't mean to hurt your feelings , offend you nor minor your obvious(and deserved) pride about the development of that fishing knot:nuhuh: , but I guess , that your posts sound and look too much of a bragging and advertising , and this is why nobody has replied so far . You're having sufficient promotion in that TV shows already , don't you ? Anyway , I wish you luck and good success with it ! greetz , diemai Edited February 6, 2009 by diemai text addition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish_N_Fool Posted February 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Well diemai, if inventing a new knot that could be better then all the fishing knots that have been in use for the last hundred some years isn't worth a little bragging, then I don't know what is. Plus the fact that I'm not trying to sell anything here or anywhere else. I posted this here for it to be public knowledge for all to use. That's what this site is all about, sharing information. If I was trying to sell some thing it would be pretty hard to do with no website, Don't you think? I wish I did have a website up and running, because your right about 1 thing, this would be great advertising. I can't even make any baits to sell right now even if I wanted to as I have severe back problems and I can't stand up to be able to pour right now. I hope to get something going in the spring but not sure if I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diemai Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 @ Fish_N_Fool Surely you can be proud of your invention and maybe also bragg a bit about it , no way:yes: ! But I was just thinking , that simply the way someone does that , may put some people off , so that was my own explanation about you wondering not to get replies to your posts , nothing more and nothing less:nuhuh: ! I second again , I don't mean to hurt your feelings or offend you , I'm far away from that:yes: . If I was in your shoe , wanting to provide information , like you said it was your intention , I would have tried to put it in other words . But I am a rather more modest kinda guy , but everyone is having his own attitudes , absolutely nothing bad about it:nuhuh: . As said before , I just posted my own personal explanation about the lack of replies . And finally I'd like to wish you a fast and good recovery from your back problems:yes: , I am kinda familiar to those as well ! greetz , diemai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philB Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Hello It has to be an achievement to find a knot that no one has ever tied before when you think about how long man has been tying knots. I hope your knot wins. Do you get a prize ??? Keep on tying the tye. I have a knot which has been handed down from father to son for the past 12 generations. I would guarantee it would beat any knot including yours. Sadly I cannot show anyone (other than sons) as when it is shown to the next generation the recipient of the knowledge has to take an oath that should it become known to a third party that person would have to die so I cant tell you cos I'd have to kill you. Ah well such is life, I will have to leave all the glory to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike-A-Pike Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Phil, Is that the same knot you wouldn't show us at the meet last summer??? Maybe you can "not" show us again some time in the future; say the 2010 meet... I know I can't wait to "not" see your knot again as I forgot exactly how you "didn't" show to tie it last year. Did anyone take any photos of you "not" showing us??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lure--Prof Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 (edited) Yo, congratulations, Rick!! I hope your knot beats the Palomar, which is a knot I only use with some lines, because as I've said before, the Palomar has tested only fair (and poor with small diameter low-stretch lines) when tested for shock strength, or impact, which is not taken into consideration with those type testers they use on North American Fisherman. I've been watching, and thus far I am impressed with your knot, enough that it is going to be my new go-to! I'm always ready to try something new for the sake of improvement, especially when it is between me and a fish! BTW, I think a lot of people, and I'm guilty too, get in the habit of not checking this section as often as we should, which would explain why your knot hasn't received the proper amount of Attaboys! And hang in there with the back, buddy, I really know all about that. I do not move without my back being in the forefront of any other thought. Congratulations!!! Dean Edited February 7, 2009 by Dean McClain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philB Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Phil,Is that the same knot you wouldn't show us at the meet last summer??? Maybe you can "not" show us again some time in the future; say the 2010 meet... I know I can't wait to "not" see your knot again as I forgot exactly how you "didn't" show to tie it last year. Did anyone take any photos of you "not" showing us??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazmail Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 I have been looking at this here, and on other boards for a while for a while now, and was determined not to saying anything!! It's all too much for me, we have our own bunch of half wits here, self promoting on suedo fishing shows, that are more a vehicle for adds for certain brands of fishing line, reels, boats, holiday destinations etc, than they are about informing us about who's catching what, where and how. I'm glad we are still in the dark ages here and don't get "Knot Wars", well knot that I am aware of anyway. Here, at night we still sit around a tackle box, have a beer/wine, get a piece of string or rope and bull**** for hours about double granny knots, clove hitches, rolling hitches, bowlines on the bite, and the old favourite here, the 'will knot', it's more entertaining and we don't get the adds. I sincerely hope your knot wins 'Fool', you may get a years supply of boiled sweets, and the second rate line they are probably promoting, where a good knot will be essential. I don't like your chances though if Phil's knot gets on there, he probably does not remember but he showed me the 'family knot' in Clinton last year, but we were a bit under the weather and like most of these 'knot nights', I can't remember it, and I'm still alive Phil, so you may as well tell every body.pete:wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philB Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Here, at night we still sit around a tackle box, have a beer/wine, get a piece of string or rope and bull**** for hours about double granny knots, clove hitches, rolling hitches, bowlines on the bite, and the old favourite here, the 'will knot', it's more entertaining and we don't get the adds. Pete, XXXX and wine, hitches and the 'will not' ,oh yes but Aussies don't bull**** do they Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTfishingrods Posted February 7, 2009 Report Share Posted February 7, 2009 Well I have been watching and have watched every episode. I am just guilty of knot :lol:reading this forum. Sorry I missed it because the series has actually been entertaining for me and my son. Had I known that knot was invented by someone else on here I would have even been more interested. I will have to include you in the sofbaits post I made today about our three other members who also appear i n the magazine version that discusses your knot also. Sorry for missing you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo D Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 I will be watching the finals on Sunday.. Going to Tivo it just in case I miss it... I am guilty of not checking out this section of the site.... I happened to see a post regarding your knot on the soft plastic section and wanted to see what your knot looked like and did a search and found this post... Congrats to you, I hope you will be rewarded greatly.... Good luck on Sunday's show... Now if I could only find a diagram of your knot..... Search here I come.. Romeo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish_N_Fool Posted February 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Now if I could only find a diagram of your knot..... Search here I come..Romeo You can see a bad diagram here at T.U. on this thread where it was originally posted or go to the N. American Fishing club site here and watch a video on it. Tnx FNF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish_N_Fool Posted February 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 (edited) GRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!! They showed last weeks show again. The championship I guess starts on, Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:30AM - 8:00AM and repeats on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:30AM - 5:00AM Friday, February 13, 2009 10:00AM - 10:30AM and again at 1:00PM - 1:30PM Sunday, February 15, 2009 11:30AM - 12:00PM All Times are eastern Edited February 8, 2009 by Fish_N_Fool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palmetto Balsa Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Am I missing something special about this knot? It looks the exact same as the popular Uni-Knot with a extra loop around the eyelet. If that is all it is, it will be an easy knot to learn. Good luck with the wars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazmail Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Yes P.B, I too had the feeling I had seen this knot somewhere, never tied it thought - as I keep saying 'there is nothing new under the sun', except maybe the 'spiv's'.pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish_N_Fool Posted February 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 (edited) It looks the exact same as the popular Uni-Knot with a extra loop around the eyelet. If that is all it is, it will be an easy knot to learn. Good luck with the wars. Tnx for the well wishes, you are correct, like I said in my original post it is a modifed uni knot, but with 2 raps around the eye and 5 wraps around the main line. I didn't reinvent the wheel here, just put a few good ideas together to make a great knot. It out performs all knots on braid and mono that I know of and is almost as good as any on florocarbon at over 100% knot strengh with 15lb. test Trilene 100% floro breakin at 15.21 lb. but some knots did just a little better with floro. It's a perfect braid knot with and average breaking strengh of almost 4 lbs. higher then other knots that were tested. 15 lb trilene tracer braid broke at 19.44 lbs, and the next highest knot they tested broke at 15.66 and the rest were even lower. It also is an excellent mono knot and just beat out all the others with 14lb. Trilene xt red line breaking at 20.54 lbs. and the best knot tested was at 20.30 lbs. Both far above the line rating. If you want to tie the Fish-N-Fool knot go watch the show or check it out on my website. Edited February 9, 2009 by Fish_N_Fool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Rick. The web site looks great, lots of good information. Congrats on the knot wars, good job. The extra loop through the hook eye may look insignificant, but is far from it. The extra loop spreads the load on the line. So, the apparent small change to a traditional knot well deserves its new name and the accolades that go with it. Good luck with the business. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lure--Prof Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 I agree 100% Vodkaman!!! Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lure--Prof Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Folks, We Have a WINNER!!!!! The Fishin' Fool Knot takes all the marbles, defeating the Palomar for the North American Fisherman's 2009 Knot Wars Championship!!! Congratulations TU member Rick on your "Top Knot"! Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish_N_Fool Posted February 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 The Fish-N-Fool Knot beats the Palomar in a head to head battle on Knot Wars to win the Grand Championship of all time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well Steve Pennaz of the N. American Fishing Club didn't believe it would ever happen. That any knot could beat the mighty Palomar, but in a test he did himself, the Fish-N-Fool Knot beat the Palomar in all 3 line types, Florocarbon, Mono and Braid. He told me if he hadn't seen it with his own eyes he would have never believed it. He was a avid user of the Palomar knot but said that my knot really impressed him. He thinks this will become one of the standards in fishing for tying a hook to a line. Pretty cool huh? I have been getting a ton of good things out of this . All of the local papers are picking up on this and running stories in the paper. The director of a local Fishing and hunting expo at the fairgrounds next weekend saw it in the paper and called me up and wants me to come demonstrate my knot to the crowd and talk about it in a short spot between the scheduled speakers on both Sat. and Sun. I believe in the next few weeks the fishing message boards on the net will be alive talking about the Fish-N-Fool Knot. But hey, I will still remember all the little people when I'm rich and famous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazmail Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Congratulations Steve on your fabulous win - If you hadn't, I was wondering how the mods were going to handle a breakdown over the net - I bet sales have gone through the roof . pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piscivorous Pike Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Hey, Rick, Last year when they started all the hubaloo about knot wars I sent in the super line knot, Kramer Knot, and some editor of the magazine sent me some stuff about contests; he thought I was entering some on line contest from the magazine, nothing to do with the knot wars. I replied back it was for the knot testing, well is was commical but probably got lost as I never heard back. When submitted to the international magazine I had some correspondence with the editor and they researched it to make sure it was unique then tested it. I got just one paragraph and their nice illustrations. But it works very well. Put it up against the fish-n-fool. (DARE) Also it should compare favorably to the power knot also know as the Berkley braid knot but where the loop is put over the end like a palamar, not clipped off as Berkley origianlly published. These two knots likely are single purpose, super braids as I see problems in pulling them down in mono but they have similiarities in strength. The trick to get a strong knot in braid is to overcome two places of failure. One is the line cutting on the eye of the terminal, more than one wrap here helps cure that and then the lines cut themselves as the knot pulls tight. Multiple wraps to distribute the load stops the cutting of the wraps. In the Kramer Knot, post #22 in Knot Wars I think they got it wrong how about you? , there are like the fish-n-fool two wraps through the eye and then the knot has 4 parrallel lines to distribut the pressure of the knot. It has tested at 100% line strength but it does not pull down well in mono, thin mono maybe but the slickness of super lines allows it to pull down. Well, sir, the challenge is there, not done until two TU knot makers face off- But only in super lines, you got me in mono, I think. What do you think? BTW, congratulation, I am using your knot in my mono for river fishing jigs and am pleased to meet someone else who enjoys working with Knotty issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
