baitshop bill Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 The world famous fish n fool knot is not a new knot. Look closely at the way it is tied...... Looks a lot like a uni knot going twice through the eye. This is a knot that has been used for at least 20 years by the san diego long range fishing fleet. I do not mean any disrespect to anyone I just wanted to clear a few things up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redg8r Posted February 8, 2009 Report Share Posted February 8, 2009 Ok. so you say its not his, so "Who's" is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankee jigger Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 1st post,stir the pot. Welcome baitshop Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baitshop bill Posted February 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Not sure who's it is. But I personally have been tying that same knot for 20+ years. This is a good knot because it is used for bigger tuna fishing on heavier line. It's also not as big of a knot like the double san diego. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Welcome to TU Bill. However, not an elegant first post. I hope you did not join TU just to make this point and that you plan to stick around and make more valuable contributions. If a knot is similar, then it is NOT the same, unless you can provide hard evidence of the identical knot, in use before FNF's knot, then he is entitled to claim the knot as his own. Why start a new thread with this nonsense, the content of this thread could have been submitted to either of the two current threads on this subject. 'SORRY', why sorry? Way to go FNF, good luck with the wars, with the Fish-N-Fool knot. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 I'm with you Dave. Well said. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdman Posted February 9, 2009 Report Share Posted February 9, 2009 Touchee Dave. Threads like these should have their own catagory under 'knot interested'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lure--Prof Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 I build a lure that's just like a Zara Spook, except it has a flatter body, a thinner tail, and has a diving lip. But the length is identical and the hooks, the eyes, and the color, could have been from either bait. Sorry, but the Fishnfool knot is not a Uni knot. Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piscivorous Pike Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 (edited) I for one did invent a new knot as mentioned in another thread. I collect all the pictures and such of knots from the Internet and I have noticed quite a few knots that are the same but have more than one name. I also found that the way they are diagramed sometimes makes them look different but they are not. One TV guy had one posted a knot that was a lot like mine, guess he never expected someone claiming it to pop up, I did and mentioned the similarity. I also was familiar with the geographic area he fishes. I respectfully complimented him on his accomplishments and let it got at that. He stated he had tied the knot for years in Mono. I came up with the knot in 1994 to take on the new super lines which for the most part appeared circa 1990. Funny thing is my knot stinks in mono, it just does not slip very well and will not pull tight in mono. I got a laugh out of that. He no longer has a reference to the knot on his publications. We both got what we needed and wanted. Here are examples of knots with more than one name: King Sling and Seaguar knot, uni knot and duncan knot. poorman's bimini is a three wrap surgeons loop. That is enough to wet the appitite. Edited February 10, 2009 by Piscivorous Pike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baitshop bill Posted February 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Dean, the fish and fool knot IS a uni knot. Do you really think that fish and fool is the first person ever to tie a uni knot going twice through the eye? I don't think so. I have tied this EXACT knot for twenty years at least. So, he is not the first one to tie it. Just the first to claim it as his own. I am just saying that I know the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baitshop bill Posted February 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Dean, go here and look. powerpro.ca/powerpro/knots.htm Looks like the fish n fool knot. Strange that they call it the uni isn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTfishingrods Posted February 10, 2009 Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 Well baitshop bill, Knot Wars decided to call it his. He turned it in to them. Its right there on the TV and on the web site for all to read. I dont believe he copied someone elses knot and turned it in. So in my mind its his knot. You can feel however you want to feel about it. So someone may have tied it sometime in the past. Who created it? I say Fish N Fool did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baitshop bill Posted February 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2009 MT, because I send a knot to knot wars does not make it my knot. Perhaps fish n fool had never seen the knot before. If not ok. That doesn't change the fact that the knot had been tied before. And, if you read my first post I was not stirring any pot as everyone here thinks. I was stating A FACT. Period. Look at the link I have provided. It is a UNI KNOT. That is all I am saying. If everyone on here wants to crown fish n fool as the creator of the world's greatest knot, then do it. But you know, and I know, and fish n fool knows he is getting credit for something HE DID NOT CREATE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redg8r Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Ok, If you read back on fishnfools initial post on this topic, he admitted the knot was based & similar to the uni knot, with his own touch on it. He submitted it.....it won. Deal already. If your so hellbent on disproving our member, why don't you take it over to the NAFC boards, or write the editors who featured this contest. We didn't feature, promote, or endorse anything regarding "Knot Wars". Flat out, your criticism isn't welcome here... period. And I'm not protecting Fishnfool, we've have had words in the past over other topics, but he contributes here & shares our passion of making things that catch fish. If you don't share the same interest, you need to move on, understand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lure--Prof Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Dean, go here and look. powerpro.ca/powerpro/knots.htm Looks like the fish n fool knot. Strange that they call it the uni isn't it. Bill, It is strange they call it a Uni Knot because it isn't a Uni Knot, they made a mistake! I've been tying a Uni for many years, and have seen many illustrations of the knot, always with one loop through the eye. Google Uni-Knot and see what you come up with. To say it is the (Uni) same knot with an extra loop through the eye, is descriptive, but is, in knot-naming nomenclature, not accurate at all. The Uni-Knot has a single loop through the eye: Any deviation requires a new name. You can call it a Fish-N-Fool knot, or one could have named it an Improved or Modified Uni Knot. But that extra loop through the eye is a very significant distinction which demands a new knot name. Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Thank you Jerry. Well said. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Wow all this over a knot, . Welcome Bill, thanks for the link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish_N_Fool Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 (edited) Ok, If you read back on fishnfools initial post on this topic, he admitted the knot was based & similar to the uni knot, with his own touch on it. He submitted it.....it won. Deal already. Actually I didn't submit it. The guys at NAFC saw my post here and tried it. I have been tying this not for many MANY years also, so BS bill musta stole my idea . I did not claim ever I was the only one that ever had a new knot idea but I did post my idea for my knot for all to see well over a year ago and now that my knot has proved to be a winner we get all these weirdos crawling out of the woodwork. NAFC are the ones that thought is was worthy of the name Fish-N-Fool Knot as one of the best knots. So BS bill get a life and hopefully somewhere else. To all the TU menbers. Tnx for ur support, but his guy is just a waste of space, here and on Earth. Edited February 14, 2009 by Fish_N_Fool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted February 14, 2009 Report Share Posted February 14, 2009 To all the TU menbers. Tnx for ur support, but his guy is just a waste of space, here and on Earth. Class act all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philB Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 This is fast becoming a tiresome thread. Bill is right, there is nothing new when it comes to knot tying. I could say quite easily I have invented a knot and it is similar to the palomar knot but it goes through the eye 3 times and I'm gonna call it the 'philyacavity' knot. Just let the guy have his moments of glory and then post something usefull about luremaking PLEASE before it bores the tits off me.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazmail Posted February 15, 2009 Report Share Posted February 15, 2009 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dutchman Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 The Fish n Fool knot beat the Palomar on the last show! Great job/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt4949 Posted February 16, 2009 Report Share Posted February 16, 2009 Looks like a great knot and easy enough to tie and remember. Palomar has not failed me yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piscivorous Pike Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 (edited) Two days without a post to this thread? The strength of the fish n fool knot is from the two wraps through the terminal. A similiar thought or approach to this idea is the cat's paw tied off by a uni. Two wraps of line through the terminal but in opposite directions not in a one way loop like the fish n fool. Different knots, very similiar in form and I expect both have similiar strengths. Hangmans uni knot with catspaw This site also publishes an improved uni that does a uni wrap over a clinch type wrap; it may be over kill but the improved uni could be tied over the cat's paw or used to terminate the fish n fool knot. Knots are fun, as I stated before collecting and learning to tie them has been a hobby of mine for years. I have yet to cross the line (pun?) as some people have where the knots are described in mathematical equations... but that does look very ineresting something to be mastered. There are some sites that have tested knots on different lines. What is interesting is that the knots tested performed differently on the various lines. Strength is very much affected by the brand of line while using the same knots. I might posts the links later. It may be important to pick not only the knot, but the line that goes well with it as those test showed that some knots were better than others with one line but could change places with another. Edited February 18, 2009 by Piscivorous Pike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
