wildtail97 Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Anyone know how these are made? Injection, with a shot of air? Thanks for any help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96dak Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 search and you will find all of your answers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 This is a link to the last discussion on the subject. It is over a year old now, so it is probably about time to air the subject again. http://www.tackleunderground.com/forum/soft-plastics/10601-applying-hollow-bait-dipping-techniques-other-baits-2.html Welcome to TU. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildtail97 Posted March 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 This is close to what I am looking for, thanks. What I am really interested in is the new swimbaits that have that huge pocket through most of the body. It looks like they have a hole in the center of the tail that is from molding around an insert. BassMagnet lures has swimbaits of this kind. We are trying a few things and just dont have it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 You can buy or make the dipping irons used to make them. I made my own. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildtail97 Posted March 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Thanks I will look that up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longhorn Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 You can see a picture of a dipping blade on Lurecraft's website...Del sold a bunch of them but I think has them temporarily off his site. Fairly easy to make there should be a bunch of photos and discussion on here about that if you do some searches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildtail97 Posted March 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Thanks! Has anyone ever done any injection molding on a swimbait? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longhorn Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I haven't personally but I believe all the Chinese-made hollow swim baits being sold by every major manufacturer are injected. They have a seam and external gill features that indicate injection to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildtail97 Posted March 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I agree, we are trying to figure out how they are injected. That is all that we do is injection, I have never poured or dipped a lure yet, but I see a lot of potential in doing that. When you dip a swimbait have you added the extra paint or designs to the back, then you dip it in clear to laminate right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Yes. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 (edited) I agree, we are trying to figure out how they are injected. That is all that we do is injection, I have never poured or dipped a lure yet, but I see a lot of potential in doing that. When you dip a swimbait have you added the extra paint or designs to the back, then you dip it in clear to laminate right? One way that it could be done is that after the main body of the bait is dipped the required times to build the thicknes required; it is then placed in a heated 2 part mold which will then give it the definitions they want (gills etc). Then it is removed from the mold, passed to the painters for paint and eyes. After which it is dipped in clear and hung to cool. Sounds simple, eh? www.novalures.com Edited March 11, 2009 by nova Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildtail97 Posted March 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Thats an interesting thought. I will see if I can try something like that. I guess if I can inject it, then keep the mold hot I could try something like that too. Any idea on how they get the large hollow body effect? There is a hole at the end of the tail, maybe an air insert? It cant be anything too big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 The hole is caused by the dipping iron after it's removed. If you go to my site, all of the ST Series baits have those holes; even the frogs. It's basically the same way that tubes are made. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildtail97 Posted March 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Sorry I need to see a vid of this or something, I just dont understand the process. How is the iron removed? Isnt the iron too wide that it will cut the tail when removing it? Or do you use a cylinder iron? I did find an iron on LC, it just looks so wide at the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildtail97 Posted March 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I found another thread about this. I think I understand it now. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTfishingrods Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I am still trying to figure out novas frogs. I like that idea Nova. Brilliant. I have trashed 4 different homemade irons trying to get them the way I want them and I am not happy with them yet. I refuse to give up though. I will have them yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 I am still trying to figure out novas frogs. I like that idea Nova. Brilliant. I have trashed 4 different homemade irons trying to get them the way I want them and I am not happy with them yet. I refuse to give up though. I will have them yet! If you get to the point that you think you've got it show me and I'll tell you if you did it. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tman2 Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 I am still trying to figure out novas frogs. I like that idea Nova. Brilliant. I have trashed 4 different homemade irons trying to get them the way I want them and I am not happy with them yet. I refuse to give up though. I will have them yet! I agree- I got some from him last year, and they were sawheet! So nice, I couldn't put a hook in them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Actually, I'm working on something to do with the swimtubes that; if it works; will have you guys saying why didn't I think of that. lol www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squigster Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 (edited) If you are referring to the basstrix minnows I believe they are all dipped but do not know that for a fact. The YUM Money Minnow on the other hand is injected, painted and then dipped in clear. It is not truly a hollow belly swimbait. They use a piece of metal as an insert to create a hook slot in the belly like some of the other swimbait molds you see, then they inject the bait and it leaves a cavity (hook slot) from the belly insert, they then have the texture on the body from the cnc machined mold. They then paint them however they want and then finally dip the body in clear to cover it. If you look at one close you will notice that the clear dip does not cover the tail, it stops short of the tail. If you have one used you can peel the top layer of clear plastic off easily due to what everyone here knows is plastic seperation of layers which does not allow the plastic to adhere well. It take that back. the belly is hollow but not the same way a basstrix is done and the tails do not wag the same way as a basstrix. Edited March 12, 2009 by squigster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 If you are referring to the basstrix minnows I believe they are all dipped but do not know that for a fact. The YUM Money Minnow on the other hand is injected, painted and then dipped in clear. It is not truly a hollow belly swimbait. They use a piece of metal as an insert to create a hook slot in the belly like some of the other swimbait molds you see, then they inject the bait and it leaves a cavity (hook slot) from the belly insert, they then have the texture on the body from the cnc machined mold. They then paint them however they want and then finally dip the body in clear to cover it. If you look at one close you will notice that the clear dip does not cover the tail, it stops short of the tail. If you have one used you can peel the top layer of clear plastic off easily due to what everyone here knows is plastic seperation of layers which does not allow the plastic to adhere well. It take that back. the belly is hollow but not the same way a basstrix is done and the tails do not wag the same way as a basstrix. the money minnow was hand poured ( probably injected now that yum has it) the slot in the belly was to similate the hollow body like the bass trix (too hold/hide the hook)but yet make it fast and efficient to hand pour and sell on a production level.. then after being painted it was dipped in clear plastic. the tail was not the same shape or cupped either. I designed the ORG MONEY MINNOW and the process on how to do it, how to set it up and how to mass produce them for Fast Freddie aka Fred Ward to do in his garage with a few shall we say not so legal citizens he sat in my office for a week till I got fed up with his BS and playing with things for him then not getting paid for it, I told him to leave and NOT to come back. He then went to bobby down the street and bobby did and awsum job on the molds. which Fast Freddie burned him on as well towards the end, not to mention a few other things like the supposable money craw that Fred Ward said He designed which bobby did and sold molds for even before fred was around, . Fred then took the money craw and talked YUM baits (while selling them the moneyminnow) into telling him he designed the bait blah blah blah typical fast freddie stuff, which was a total lie on Freds part and Yum is very unhappy about it and I hope they sue his butt over it for fraud. I have a mold and have had a mold for the true pourable hollow minnow like bass trix for well over a year now( about the same time I stopped selling the dipping sticks for making the basstrix style baits,) I havent made them for the public cause they are very expensive do to the time it takes to make them. The big ones 10" and above the salt water guys love. Delw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildtail97 Posted March 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 Good info guys. I will let you know when I get an injection mold to work for swimbaits, I am getting the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loco Posted March 12, 2009 Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 here is a dipping iron that i made. it was very easy. i used a regular old kitchen knife and the blade off of a spinner bait. i used my dremmel to shape the kinfe the way i wanted it, then cut a slot in the spinner bait blade and a little jb weld to attach it to the knife. total time was about 30 minutes..... now, when dipping it, i realized that the belly was a little to fat to pull the blade out without splitting the tail. i then went back and with my dremmel, ground down the belly area of the blade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildtail97 Posted March 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2009 It amazes me that the plastic is that flexible that it won't rip when you pull the Blade out! I can't wait to try this out! Is there a certain recipe/durometer that I should use for swimbaits? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
