george12182 Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 I just started pouring plastics yesterday, so I really don't have the skill to try this anytime soon. I'm just kind of curious how you guys think it would work. It seems some of the problems with buzz frogs is that if you don't have them rigged up perfectly they tend to roll during the retrieve. After reading some of the posts on the divided cups used to do swirls I thought of something that might help with keeping the frogs running straight. In the section of the divided cup that pours the bottom you would have heavily salted plastic, and in the top half of the cup you would have high floating plastic. I would think that salted sided would always want to run down, keeping it from wanting to roll over. What do you guys think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pastorshane Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 It's worth a try. Not a bad idea. You might have issues with the salt making the baits brittle unless you use a softner on the bottom plastic. But would be worth a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB GONE Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 I fish and make A LOT of frogs. I have used every single soft plastic frog that I could find out on the market, even from small vendors and hand pour companies. They all twist! In my experience, all buzz frogs can/will twist on retrieve if the frog is not rigged properly. You can even use the belly weighted hooks or front end weighted hooks made to prevent this and have a frog roll on retreive. Salt on one portion of the frog won't stop the roll. Keeping the frog on the hook properly will though. Use a bobber stopper to keep the body from coming down or add a 2 pronged treble trailer hook (Cut the top treble portion off) and embed those hooks into the frog legs. Either of these techniques will help to prevent slipage. A bead in the front of the nose of the frog will also dramatically help reduce the frog from moving down the hook. Pouring the nose portion in "hard" plastic and the body in medium will help keep the frog on the hook as well. Just a few things I do as I throw soft frogs in tournaments all year long and a spinning, twisting frog wastes time! Might be an interesting experiment just to try but first hand I have had the weighted frogs spin. Even better than the split cup, just pour the belly in salted plastic and then clost the mold and do the rest in whatever. Salt makes the bait brittle though so your frog will demise quicker. Richard will chime in here soon also I hope. He is a "mad frogologist" also!!!! Sure he has some tips as well.... Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Prager Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 (edited) Richard, Junior Frogologist, here. It's all Jim's fault. He sent me a bag of his frogs a few years ago to try and I immediately caught my biggest frog fish and 4 oz. off my personal best. I've made 1,000's of these frogs since and have yet to top that fish! Apparently, it's the baitmaker and not the bait!:worship:As far as rigging, I just use the 5/0 ewg Mustad with 28 degree bend with a ss hitchiker. If it is rigged straight and the bait is straight it will not turn over.......never! Now, that's with the frogs Jim and I pour. 99.9% of the time they will come back ready for the next cast no matter where you throw it. With other frogs that might not be true. The Gambler Cane Toad catches a ton of fish, but I find I spend more time (after almost every cast) adjusting the rigging than fishing it. The Zoom Horny Toad is an incredible bait and isn't too bad but will still turn over and get hung up in the "V" of the pads, tear easily and inconsistant in quality from bait to bait...but I still use it. Sometimes they want that subtle kick and that bait can't be beat! I find that hook works best for me and also using it with very big worms and swimbaits as well. I think the salt experiment is a great idea. I agree with Jim on pouring the plastic/salt first, then close the mold and pour in the regular plastic. You can do 2 different colors while you are at it. Just like a laminate. I've had some customers have good success swimming and working the frog like a jerkbait. I poured some frogs using a soft formula and swam and twitched them last week and caught some nice fish. But swimming it under the surface was impossible to keep the bait from rolling over. Twitching the bait proved to be less of a problem. Edited April 14, 2009 by 152nd Street Baits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kajan Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Well Bear has a RTV one pc frog mold, it will not flip or roll. Is large size frog and is easy to pour. Catchs fish also. I tested it with a 5/0 Gama hook and it casts far and works very well. bears Baits Molds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB GONE Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 (edited) Kajan.... Can you post a pic of bear's frog... I like the design. Seems the hook slot is on the bottom of the frog though and would make a weedless presentation difficult. Noticed he does not have the length on that mold either....I'll buy one cause I LOVE me some frogs!!! Still have a mold like the 3:16 Lure companies frog I am going to pour up soon!!! Maybe I am looking at it upside down... Junior Frogologist !! To funny!! I'll have to tell my buddy with a Doctorate in Flipping (PhD in Flipology) that one!!!! Jim Edited April 14, 2009 by ghostbaits change.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kajan Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Jim, when you pour that mold, the shrinkage of the plastic allows for a slight hook slot on top, so the tip of hook is below the top plane of the lure. Easy mold to pour by the way, even for a beginner. Excellent for lams and mixed colour pours. I beleive the last pic has a ruler near lure Login This one shows some others An Error Has Occurred! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB GONE Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Thanks!!!!!!!! Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george12182 Posted April 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 152nd st, I bought a pack of Jim's frog in each of two sizes but haven't had a chance to use them. If' they run straight like you said, then I guess this wouldn't even be an issue. I'm eventually gonna buy this mold once I get more into hand pouring. It's probably not gonna be for a while though. I joined this site two months ago and have so many baits I'm working on and already spent an insane amount of money on stuff. I've been mostly working on "wire baits" so far. Anyway, I'm probably just gonna buy some of the stuff off of your guy's websites for this year. Those frog's from bob's molds look awesome. The only thing I don't care for is the size. The smaller one is kind of small and the bigger one is kind of big. A size in between would be perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Prager Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 I'm sure if you need a specific length, Bob could make it for you. I think you will be pleasantly surprised when you use them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
