bear21211 Posted May 18, 2009 Report Share Posted May 18, 2009 I do not know where this belongs and I do not who all will get to read it but I would like to find out what is going on here. 1st off I have really enjoyed my time at TU. I have learned a lot started a new business and made some great friends. It seems that I keep breaking the rules here. I have read the rules and I do my best to abide by them. As most of you know I am Bear of Bears Baits. We are a paying advertiser here. I am also a paying member here. Just about any time that someone here mentions Me or my products the post either gets deleted or One King member here has to voice his opinion about their is to much Advertisement being put into the tackle making forum. " Yes Vodkaman I am referring to you.( I take it you are referring to the blatant sales pitch going on. This is starting to happen too much of late.) Dave" There was a post made from someone here looking for help here is what he asked..........please help, need to know what is needed to get started i want to make two sided baits and would like to sell but mostly just hobby injection or hand pour or what? WOULD LIKE TO MAKE SWEET BEAVERS WORMS AND SHAD I did reply to this gentleman and not 1 single time did I offer to sell him anything. I answered his questions as Bias as I could . Mtfishing Rods mentioned our new plastic letting the man know it was something that should serve him well.He did not fault anyone else s product or down any other advertiser here. Just a few post up the Board I saw you post this VM about another person looking for help. (I use a motorised fan venting full face mask. Not sure how good it would be for spraying, but for wood it is perfect. It keeps my face cool and dry in the tropical climate. With the half face mask, I was gurgling in a pool of sweat after 15 minutes. The cable and battery pack can be minor inconvenience, but a small price to pay for comfort. Also, I get to wear my regular spectacles. Dave) Why is it that you can recommend something on here and I cant or if anyone else mentions a product from Bears Baits this happens. What rules am I breaking or what rule did MTfishing break? I thought this was a help forum? Can you or one of the moderators maybe chime in here and give a reasonable answer to this post? I am sure this will probably get deleted also before anyone has a chance to read it. I have e-mailed the site owner and mods about this taking place and I do not even get a responce form them. Why not just answer this post where all can read it so maybe in the future it will prevent someone like myself or MTfishingrods from breaking rules we are unaware of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazmail Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Bear, I'm not sure what you have done either, I read all those posts,, but even if you are self promoting, at least you "We are a paying advertiser here. I am also a paying member here" and this is a mile in front of a FEW here who use this place for free adds and promote theirs and their sponsors products, with no membership and no advertising, the worst of all seems to have pulled his head in lately. Hope you get an answer. pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTfishingrods Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Wow, I didnt even know there was an issue with my post. This is why I had posted it. I have tried the new BBCP plastic, and since compared to the experience level of most on the soft plastics forum, I consider myself new and pretty qualified to answer his post. I have tried several other plastics and this is by far the easiest for someone of my experience level to pour. Thats it. Plain and simple. Nothing else played into it. Bear dont pay me to advertise for him. I dont get a discount because I talk about his products here. I am just happy with his plastic. I do like a lot of his other products also and will probably talk about them on occasion in the future so I hope this dont ruffle any feathers. Its the same thing we do with Dick Nites, D2T, Etex, Bobs Molds, Dels Molds, Hagens, Lurecraft, Netcraft, Stamina, Skirtsunlimited, Dang I could go on and on right down my favorites list. Bears Baits is just one more of them. Oh yeah his service is great to!!! LOL Add that to my tab Bear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Not me, I have not reported your posts. I hadn't even noticed any of the deletions either, but I don't dwell on 'plastic type' threads. I had noticed a change in style of how you write your posts and figured that a mod had spoken to you, I have noticed the same with other authors too. The PRIVATE MESSAGE that I sent to Pitbull was not directed at you, but was rather pointing to your faithfulls. But nothing wrong in this or rules broken as far as my interpretation goes. You provide a good service, posts that acknowledge good service are a good thing. I was going to post the text, but then decided against it, to avoid another pile of doodoo, but here we are again. My mistake. Regarding the mask, I actually did think about the name being visible and thought about blurring with photoshop, but then forgot about it. But, again, nothing wrong with it. You really need to talk to Jerry about what is going on, hopefully he will chime in here and explain a few things. This thread should clarify a few issues. It can be confusing, as the policy is to delete without explanation. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTfishingrods Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Oh come on now Dave. You cant be expected to have to blur out the name on a mask thats posted. Thats going over board. If we need to think for a half hour about how the correct way to refer a product on this board its getting way to strict for me. Whats wrong with the way things have been for the last 2 years? Nobody has had a problem refering anyone to any other buisiness that does or does not support the board. Why now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tylerd1994 Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 im sorry but i do not see how bear could possibly be advertising to much. A couple people like his stuff so they reccomend it. Its no differnt than someone saying where can i get molds/ plastic and everyone would say dels. whats the difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 MT, like I said, I did think about it, but nothing wrong. I agree with post No3 too, it appeared while I was typing. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint308 Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Wow, we can't refer a product...we can't warn of problems we have had with suppliers.....we can't post pictures.....things sure have changed. Saint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redg8r Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Did I miss something? I've checked the moderator log and the last thread removed that contained a link to your site was over a week ago. The thread was deleted (from the soft plastics forum) because the author was deemed to be soliciting our members to make him a mold, not because your site was later suggested. It was considered a "want ad" under the current rules and is required to be posted in the Classifieds. You yourself posted in a thread: http://www.tackleunderground.com/forum/all-aboard/17077-introduction.html Also a week ago, however it was not deleted, it was moved to the appropriate "all aboard" (introduction) forum. Those are the only topics (related to bearsbaits) moderated recently in the soft plastics forum. Please understand, simply because a thread that contained a bearsbaits reference was removed, does'nt mean that's why it was deleted, we almost always list a public explanation next to all deleted threads. As to issues or complaints about another member, you'll have to send me a link, because I see nothing outstanding. Our members are entitled to opinions, as long as it remains civil. Currently, there is nothing in the rules that prevents other members from recommending your product/s. Hope that helps, if not you have my email & phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear21211 Posted May 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 That helps a lot Red.Just seems sometimes I get singled out. I enjoy being here but I also want my business to be successful . I do my best to contour to your rules. We try to help everyone we can regardless of if they spend a dime with us or not. I know this is forum to help new people learn and those of us that has been here learn. Part of learning is where you buy from and what you buy. So if people come here and ask where they can buy something from and others respond, then we should not be reprimanded for steering them in the right direction should we? I am not trying to stir no problems I just get people say man I mentioned something on TU about your pots or plastic and it got deleted. I did not see the post and did not know the reason why. Now I do. Thank you for clearing that up. You have a great site here that is why I pay to be here. But I also pay to support my business. So I am trying to do my best on both things. Thank you Red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redg8r Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 No problem, we get it from both sides, we get complaints saying we give too much slack to our advertisers, We'll hold the middle ground. All in all, our main focus is to keep the luremaking forums technical & build around it. The classifieds unfortunately had to be housed in the forums but its for builder-to-builder one time sales & resales. All the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redg8r Posted May 19, 2009 Report Share Posted May 19, 2009 Sorry Bear, also meant to say: We're always open to suggestions, comments and concerns. The advertising was something we never intended on doing, so if you have suggestions on how to improve the services, please contact me privately. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troul Hawk Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Related???? maybe. I don't know how many TU folks utilize the 'RSS Feed'..........I love it. Just so folks know, if a topic gets moved from one forum to the other, the RSS feed link will subsequently break and show the following message. "Invalid Thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the administrator" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milia B Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 In my best Rodney King impersonation > "Can't we all just get along?". Honestly Mr. Moderator it looks as though this is quite a sticky wicket! ; ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTfishingrods Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 I think everyone is getting along Milia. Just needed some things clarified it looks like. And no one here holds grudges. They are all here for the same reason. Thats whats great about this site and the people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
