alphawolf Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Hi, Here is my dilemma. I am building some spinnerbaits, 3/8 ounce. Blades are premium willow from Barlows, so are the hollow metal beads, clevices and what not. The blade size is 4.5 rear and 3.5 front. the 3.5 front does not spin around the balde, it wobbles. The setup bottom to top is: Ball>Clevice with 3.5 blade>Ball>metal tube spacer>ball>metal tube spacer>ball> swivel and 4.5 blade. Do you think it is the blade itself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSC Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 A picture would help .... is the front blade "Banging" into the back blade ? Willows spin tight ... Really need to see it. JSC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 3.5 blade should be installed face down to the head. Picture will help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphawolf Posted May 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Yup the curve part is facing the head. I made sure of that. I will post some pics tonight. This is what it looks like with one more ball in the middle of the metal spacer. This is a picture I swiped off the net, not mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 Have you tried adjusting the angle of the wire legs. I would have thought that this was critical. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diemai Posted May 20, 2009 Report Share Posted May 20, 2009 @ alphawolf Looking at this picture it might really happen , that the lower blade's rear tip hits the swivel or splitring of the top blade . But just like Dave I also assume , that it rather has to do with the angle of the blade arm ,..... it is pointing too much upward , I'd say:? . The bigger rear blade , being a willowleaf either , does not provide a lot of drag on retrieve like certainly f. e. a colorado blade would , thus the latter would pull the blade arm backward altering the angle a bit . So I'd suggest , try bending the blade arm backward and increase the spacing of the smaller blade towards the upper eye of the blade arm . Willowleaf blades were always kinda tricky to me , though I'm not into spinnerbaits that much , ......but had enough troubles before to get them to spin on ordinary inlines . Much prefer so-called "swing blades" nowadays , these are quite foolproof . good luck , diemai:yay: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 I see you are from earth. The bottom blade is preforming as it should. The blade will not swing all the way around the wire. If that is what you are trying to do you might want to bend the wire over the top like a buzz bait. I say leave it as it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basseducer Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 I would agree that your wire angle is too steep for the distance between the blades. Try bending your wire up, where it comes out of the head in small increments and see if it gets better. You might also try taking out one of the spacer tubes. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Kelly. I thought that the blade was supposed to spin. It all makes sense though, I was struggling to see how it could spin at a steep angle, forced by the skirt resistance. It would be nice to see a vid of one of these baits in action. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papamark Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 To me it looks like not enough space from each other, a willow spins tight and you need more space, Just my 2 cents, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 alphawolf, In the picture you posted. If you are stating that the brass colored willow blade does not spin around the wireform, than what Kelly stated is correct. The brass colored willow will not spin and it is not supposed to. That blade will only wobble. The top silver willow blade with the ball bearing is the only one that will spin in that pic. If you want the brass willow to spin, you would have to attach it to a ball bearing swivel, and somewhere on the wireform, you will have to put a bend in it to keep the brass blade from moving up and down the wire. Also placement of the brass colored blade has to be where it will not conflict with the silver colored blade when both of them are spinning. If you don't understand, PM me your e-mail, and I will send you a pic of what I'm talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljaw Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 It depends on the blades you get, I like my smaller blades to be a bit heavier because if you use small blades you must fish the bait fast in order for the bottom blade to spin. Try using a #4 instead of #3.5 for the bottom blade or use the #4 as the main blade and keep the #3.5 as the bottom blade. I find that with the blades I use, if I go with a whole size difference between blades that I need a heavier blade for the bottom unless I want to use the bait as a fast retrieve only bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
now thats a fish Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 alphawolf,In the picture you posted. If you are stating that the brass colored willow blade does not spin around the wireform, than what Kelly stated is correct. The brass colored willow will not spin and it is not supposed to. That blade will only wobble. The top silver willow blade with the ball bearing is the only one that will spin in that pic. If you want the brass willow to spin, you would have to attach it to a ball bearing swivel, and somewhere on the wireform, you will have to put a bend in it to keep the brass blade from moving up and down the wire. Also placement of the brass colored blade has to be where it will not conflict with the silver colored blade when both of them are spinning. If you don't understand, PM me your e-mail, and I will send you a pic of what I'm talking about Cadman, That's interesting....never thought of doing that. Do you mind sending me a pic? Thanks, Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diemai Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 @ cadman Very interesting idea about rigging the lower blade with a swivel as well , might get back to it for my own tinkering one day . Thanks for the input:yes: ! greetz , diemai:yay: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 So, with the elbow wire, does the blade spin or not? I am seeing conflicting views. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diemai Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 @ Vodkaman As far , as I understand , it does not and neccessarely does not need to , a fluttering action is enough ! Don't know much about such baits:huh: , anyway , only build and fish them on ocassion . greetz, diemai:yay: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Guys the question if I read this correctly, is about the brass blade. Let's all get on the same page here. The brass blade I'm talking about and the one alphawolf is talking about( I believe) is the one in the pic on post #4 by alphawolf. This blade does not spin around the wire form as you reel the spinnerbait in. It rocks or wobbles. The brass blade in the pic is put on correctly with the blade face facing the spinnerbait body. Do we all agree or am I missing something here....Please inform me otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 @ cadmanVery interesting idea about rigging the lower blade with a swivel as well , might get back to it for my own tinkering one day . Thanks for the input:yes: ! greetz , diemai:yay: Diemai, It is definitely not my idea, I 've seen this type of set-up on and off from different people who fish a lot of spinnerbaits.Even spinnerbait guys want something unique, that might send off different vibrations. I'm really surprised it doesn't have a bigger following. Eric, I will post a pic here later tonight or tomorrow. Again this has been around and there are a lot of variations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diemai Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 @ cadman Still a brilliant idea ........! I also wonder , that I have never seen it in any pictures or catalogs ,...... spinnerbaits are not very popular over here , though almost every tackleshop considering itself to be a good one carries a handful of models nowadays . You described the subject the right way in your post before("same page") , at least this is , how I understand it as well ! greetz , diemai:yay: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 As I re-read my post #11 I also made an error; "Also placement of the brass colored blade has to be where it will not conflict with the silver colored blade when both of them are spinning." It should read "Also placement of the brass colored blade has to be where it will not conflict with the silver colored blade when it is spinning." Sorry or the mix-up of terminology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dutchman Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 Would the size of the clevis have anything to do with it. Sometimes the holes in the clevis are not big enough to allow the clevis to spin freely on the wire. Just my 2 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv Posted May 21, 2009 Report Share Posted May 21, 2009 It could be anything. I'd say we need to take a look on a picture of that spinnerbait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Cadman that is a lot clear than I put it. Like the idea about the swivel on the bottom willow leaf blade. I Haven't made one that way. Vodka The lower blade dos not spin just to add to Cadmans post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basseducer Posted May 22, 2009 Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 Maybe we are compairing apples and oranges. The blades on the shaft of my spinnerbaits revolve around the shaft the way they are intended by using the clevis, they do not spin on their own axis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphawolf Posted May 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2009 (edited) Issue resolved! Now the front blade spins around the wire. The issue was the arm was too high (Straight like a 45 degree angle). Bending it down a little allowed the blade to climb up the wire upon retrieve. Thanks for the info! Edited May 22, 2009 by alphawolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
