Sand question?

[gone2long]

O.K. so without giving trade secrets away is anybody using sand and salt in their baits. Sand sounds like you would have to stir every bait poured? is there some type of "floured" sand? I'm looking for additional weight and have seen this advertised.

Chris

[Vodkaman]

Sand has been discussed a lot, I found 22 results for searching "sand salt", of which probably six are relevant, judging from the thread titles. This link is one random pick from the bunch.

http://www.tackleunderground.com/forum/soft-plastics/11474-sand-amounts.html

Dave

[Delw]

sand works,

you will still have to stir just like you do with salt, salt doesnt suspend all that much unless its floured and you really dont want to use floured salt unless your looking for as much weight as possible.

the whole floured salt thing got started 7 -8 years ago on another website before this one, it was due to I and a few other guys Als worms? wanted to use stck baits in 30-60 feet of water out west during the winter when the fish school up.

we didnt want to wait 6 years for the bait to fall to that depth so the answer was more weight..

at that time we were also talking about how to eliminate a 1/8 oz weight that people put on senkos to get the bait down faster.

if you take 1 grain of sand vs 1 grain of salt same dimensions you will get very very close to the same weight, Vodkaman can probably give you the exact weight

but it is pretty darn close.

heres an example of floured salt vs regular salt.

if you take one cup by volume of regular salt it will equal about 1.5-2 cups of floured sale via volume so you basically get more floured salt by WEIGHT then you do granular salt. dont forget this is by volume cause obviously 1 lb of flour salt is the same as 1lb of granular salt.

Floured salt is not the best thing to use in making baits as right off the bat your using more in weight if you normally measure off of volume, it also shades the bait alot.

think of it like sand vs concrete mix its nasty and thick.

if you get the right sand it will help give your bait a more clear look.

Play sand I heard works ok, but I am told that sand blasting media works better.

dont forget play sand generally is brown/tan and sand blasting media is mre white like salt. so adjust your colors accordingly.

Delw

[gone2long]

Wow didn't know that now I know why some salted baits still look translucent. Well I would figure that sand would be pretty hard on the presto pots finish so hand pouring sounds like the ticket. Wonder why salt & sand are needed then the bait that I'm talking about is only 4 inches long & 1/4" in diameter.

Thanks for the link vodkaman, I do searches but for some reason I never seem to hit on the threads that have the info i'm looking for:huh:

[Delw]

I know dave has the answer he just wants us to look , so I did while on the phone this is what I found

Mass, Weight, Density or Specific Gravity of Bulk Materials

it looks like sand s only about 10% more in weight than salt, using a dry sand and a fine salt.

Salt or sand is pretty hard an any peice of equipment. salt is worse in most case's cause it cause's oxidation with moisture.

Delw

[COBRA]

its silica, sand blasting media, not sand.

[COBRA]

so what weighs more a pound of salt or a pound of sand? har har har sorry had to play comedian.

[Vodkaman]

Del said:

I know dave has the answer he just wants us to look

Lol Del, I gotta sleep sometimes, remember I am 12hours out of sync with you guys. Also, if I could give you the answer on a plate, I would. "Just do a search", is NOT a helpful answer, hope I did not give that impression.

Searching is a bit of an art. One word, like 'sand' usually will not help. In this case, it delivered 6 pages of results. You have to imagine the discussion you want to have and write down key words that you will use, like: sand - salt- fine - coarse - heavy - clear - sink. Use as few words as possible, gradually adding more to reduce the list.

Also use the go advanced and limit the search to the softbaits. You can also select posts instead of threads. This will bring up the first few lines of relevant posts, so you can quickly see if the discussion is what you are looking for.

Dave

[Richard Prager]

Lol Del, I gotta sleep sometimes, remember I am 12hours out of sync with you guys. Also, if I could give you the answer on a plate, I would. "Just do a search", is NOT a helpful answer, hope I did not give that impression.

Searching is a bit of an art. One word, like 'sand' usually will not help. In this case, it delivered 6 pages of results. You have to imagine the discussion you want to have and write down key words that you will use, like: sand - salt- fine - coarse - heavy - clear - sink. Use as few words as possible, gradually adding more to reduce the list.

Also use the go advanced and limit the search to the softbaits. You can also select posts instead of threads. This will bring up the first few lines of relevant posts, so you can quickly see if the discussion is what you are looking for.

Dave

That's a great tip on using the search. I'm sure people get frustrated when they can't find the info they're looking for. It really helps out a lot if you understand how the search feature works.

[Delw]

its silica, sand blasting media, not sand.

your correct, I have used both and just spaced it out.

so what weighs more a pound of salt or a pound of sand? har har har sorry had to play comedian.

no problem at least you didnt tell me to pound sand

Lol Del, I gotta sleep sometimes, remember I am 12hours out of sync with you guys. Also, if I could give you the answer on a plate, I would. "Just do a search", is NOT a helpful answer, hope I did not give that impression.

Searching is a bit of an art. One word, like 'sand' usually will not help. In this case, it delivered 6 pages of results. You have to imagine the discussion you want to have and write down key words that you will use, like: sand - salt- fine - coarse - heavy - clear - sink. Use as few words as possible, gradually adding more to reduce the list.

Also use the go advanced and limit the search to the softbaits. You can also select posts instead of threads. This will bring up the first few lines of relevant posts, so you can quickly see if the discussion is what you are looking for.

Dave

That's a great tip on using the search. I'm sure people get frustrated when they can't find the info they're looking for. It really helps out a lot if you understand how the search feature works.

the search engine of Vbulletin is junk, always has been, and to be honest so is every other forum software out there., one of main problems is the 3 letter searchs most software doesnt let you do it there are some hacks for them but they are also flawed.

searching red or pop always sucked and there are more 3 letter words than I even figured I would need to search for.

I dont know if Jerry installed the 3 letter hack in here as I quit using 3 letters for seach in an forum software..

using a phrase also really stinks like

" how to make red"

the forum software used to tell you to refine the search, it may not anymore and jerry may have played with it, if he did I am sure he will tell me to pound sand LOL

I have 7 forums running vb from 2002, best forum software out there but just like the rest the search engine is lacking and hard to manuver around for nw people especially.

Delw

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[Delw]

when searching for red or any 3 letter word you will get this

1. Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.
   The following words are either very common, too long, or too short and were not included in your search : red