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psshh thats nothing lol, nahh just kidding lolz. I would love to catch any fish that weighed 25lbs! Thats a cool lake there and sounds like a very interesting place to fish to. lol the fish looks deformed, kinda looks like it had an encounter with a small child most likely:teef:

Thanks for posting Dieter thats cool to see fish that big:yay:

Thanks, Jacob

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Daimai, there have been lots of posts here in the U.S. Your post seems to be the most complete I've seen. Most posts over here are blogs snipping bits of info about the catch.

The IGFA has several quirky rules that may eliminate this bass from contention. The rule that seems to prohibit many world records is the one that states something like "the fish must be legally caught". Since Japan's laws are different than USA or German laws, it may not have been legally caught in Japan. Over here if he caught his bass while fishing from a floating outhouse and there was a rule that said "No fishing from outhouse" his record would be disallowed. Another rule that stops many potential world records is the one that the person catching the bass must not have had any help. And the IGFA has quirky rules defining "help". Who, when and how the bass was weighed on a certified scale will be key also. For example if the 22 pounds 5 ounces resulted from a not-certified scales then a later weight on a certified scales must be submitted and we all know how frozen fish lose weight. With the stakes so high on this bass you can bet the IGFA will take its time and perform lots of analysis before it makes any decision.

It will be interesting seeing how this plays out.

Good luck!

John

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Hi Guys. You have a lot of incomplete information going around here. I have all the current information on this and all world record bass as well as articles on this topic and over 150 free videos as well as a video of the current bass from Japan and the REAL world record from California at 25.1 being caught and weighed on TV. Stop in my site and take a look in the galery and video sections as well and get the real story on this. Tight lines, Steve

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The following is from the San Diego Union-Tribune dated July 11, 2:00 am:

{ Record bass: Jason Schratwieser, conservation director at the International Game Fish Association, said he has not received a world-record application from Manabu Kurita, the Japanese angler who reportedly caught that potential world-record-tying 22-pound, 5-ounce largemouth bass last week on Lake Biwa in Japan. Other than a picture and a video, information out of Japan has been scarce. Schratwieser said Kurita has 90 days from the date of the catch to apply.}

Like I said in an earlier post, so far quality information about the catch has been rare.

Good luck!

John

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After reading all of your explanations , I don't believe , that this fish would be recognized as world record , anyway .

Over here in Germany we do not have something like an official record league , anyway ,.......records acknowledged to public are most likely presented by our local angling magazines , and the rules are not as strict ,...... doesn't matter , how the fish was caught , just according to general restrictions and with rod and reel , off course .

To be published it requires a foto , two whitnesses to sign up , and weighting of the catch at an authorized weighting place , which are most likely local tackleshops .

Off course this way the fish claimed to be record cannot be released ,.... which would not be according to our local restrictions , anyway .

So I am sure , that quite a few record fish remain unknown or at least not taken up into the records lists , since the catchers practise CPR ,..... illegal , but totally reasonable !

greetz , diemai:yay:

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After reading all of your explanations , I don't believe , that this fish would be recognized as world record , anyway .

It's premature so far to tell. The IGFA has four record statuses, Open (meaning none), Pending, Current and Defeated. According to my post, the IGFA has not yet received the angler's application, so his record status is not even Pending. And Pending does not mean the IGFA got a piece of paper in the mail. It means that a completed application (a daunting task in itself), a biologist certification, witness information, 20 feet (I think) of line plus the hook or lure, and all the above in English and notarized has been received! His line will be sent out to a materials testing laboratory to see where it falls. Errors require rework and resubmission.

The International Game Fish Association (IGFA) is one group that is recognized for keeping track of world records. They also keep break strength records for fishing line, tippet and regulations on other fishing tackle. It is my understanding that the IGFA maintains many more saltwater records than freshwater records. In North America many states (and maybe some provinces in Canada and Mexico) have started contracting with the IGFA to also maintain their records. States and provinces that have contracted with IGFA usually follow IGFA rules and regulations. Since contracting is new many state records (especially for children) are open (no record holder). States, provinces, and even countries that do not contract with IGFA could have different records. But if the Japanese fisherman submits a qualified application to IGFA which is accepted by IGFA, he will be classified as current world record holder. It is possible that Japan would not reconize his catch as the Japan record.

Diemai also said:

So I am sure , that quite a few record fish remain unknown or at least not taken up into the records lists , since the catchers practise CPR ,..... illegal , but totally reasonable !

I totally agree! The various state, province and country record regulations are bad enough, but the IGFA regs are onerous. No doubt many anglers give up registering their big fish when they fully understand what they have to do to submit it for any record, especially the IGFA.

For decades biologists in the US have eloctroshocked water bodies and often find fish species larger than current state or world records. As I recall they have NOT found largemouth bass weighing more that 22 pounds 4 ounces.

In the US fishing is a big sport. As I recall several years ago a governmental agency said over $27 Billion total was spent on fishing of which most was on the largemouth bass. Each year Texas alone spends over $5 Billion! Largemouth bass world record pursuit is a big deal in the US and tens of thousand anglers each year try to catch the BIG one any way they can. They've used gimmicks such as foul hooking, putting lead weight into fish stomachs, illegal fishing, snagging dead fish, etc. If anglers know they violated IGFA regs, maybe they don't submit their BIG bass. Maybe it's so much work they go ahead and eat it. Who knows? But I agree with you that for whatever reason many record fish are not even submitted.

Please excuse the long post. So much world record largemouth bass data on the internet is blogs repeating erronous data from other blogs.

Good luck fishing!

John

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My second statement , that you have quoted(about CPR) , I had stated in terms of an entirely different meaning , though the quote fits yours as well:) .

I meant , that over here in Germany fishing restrictions demand the killing of every legal sized fish caught , but many anglers probably prefer to let a trophy fish live rather than to appear in any records list !

Even if it this illegal , .....many of us don't obey these stupid restrictions anymore as we see , that our stocks are obviously going down compared to other countries , that do not have this kill policy in their restrictions or even enforce the release of any fish of certain species .

And no need to apologize about your longer posts , ...these are very informative , especially for me as an European , that is not too familiar with such angling records customs .

I just posted this link in here for the fun of viewing an exeptional fish , I could not imagine , that it could even rise such kinda passion on the subject :huh:!

greetz , diemai:yay:

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Thank you for your original post and subsequent comments. It seems that your country and Japan both have catch and kill regulations - at least they have in Lake Biwa for largemouth bass. So if the angler submitted a catch and release record application IGFA would reject the application as "failing to be caught within local regulations."

As you can imagine "Local Regulations" can get downright stupid and insane. For example in the Columbia River between Washington state and Oregon, they have a slot limit which states that you can only kill (take) a sturgeon that falls into a slot of say between 40 to 50 inches - larger and smaller fish must be left in the water and immediately released. Well, duh, then it's impossible to catch a Columbia River sturgeon any way for an IGFA world record application. So the IGFA world record sturgeon of just a little over 100 pounds was caught in San Francisco Bay and the 200 to 300 pound sturgeon caught every day on the Columbia are never submitted for IGFA records. This is what you said earlier! Many record sized fish are never submitted.

The IGFA was formed in the 1930's to resolve disputes among billfish anglers. Seems like the rich guys wanted their time in fame. The IGFA over the decades became pretty good at resolving their issues. Let's see how this record application plays out. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of LM bass fishermen thought catching the world record bass would be worth millions of dollars for the angler. I'm not sure. None of the fishing tackle he was using was made in the US. So who is going to sponsor him and pay him those big bucks?

I'm not sure the angler will get the IGFA record and if he does I'm not sure he will keep it without a lot of ongoing dialog, gossip, and maybe legal fighting. So keep watching and go fishing.

John

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That IGFA stat about "fish needs to be caught after local regulations" is surely a big drawback for possible record claimers as you have given that example about sturgeon in the Columbia river .

But in terms to keep up a nice stock of fish , that 40" to 50" rule there makes sense to me .

There are very similar restrictions for pike in Ireland as well , .......guess , I read about it somewhere ,..........take only medium sized ones for kitchen , but release the small and the big !

But I guess , that they also allow to take home real big trophy fish above a certain , almost unreachable , size as well .

But as you wrote , real big sponsor money is involved(did not think about that) , something that we do not know over here , ........the handful of local pro anglers doing promotions for the tackle industry can't get wealthy with it , I guess ,..... for very few of them it's just enough for a reasonable living , as they also write books and articles , make instructional videos , do schooling , etc ........ , more or less on their own behalf , I guess .

Simply our tackle market is smaller and angling is not as recognized by the public , so the big money is missing , ........not neccessarely a disadvantage , I'd say :?????

No wonder about the big passion for the whole affair over there in the USA .

greetz:yay: , Dieter

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Just a bit more information about IGFA.

In the US when word gets out about a potential world record catch, city, county, state, and federal law enforcement and wildlife enforcement agencies swoop to the site "to see" the potential catch. Each law enforcement person interrogates the angler in an attempt to get the angler to state he violated one or more local regulations. Of course if the angler admits that he violated any regulation, he/she is immediately cited with a criminal infraction, or depending upon the violation, arrested and sent to jail. These officials ask the angler over and over to tell his/her story in an attempt to find a violation and of course generate revenue.

They show up for the original catch, they are at the official scale weighing, they are at the biologist species identification and measurement, they show up for all press ops, photo shoots and other private events. They talk to witnesses and ask questions of friends and acquaintances. These officials are very proactive and professional in their interrogations. When the gravity of a potential world record sinks in to most anglers and their friends, booze usually comes out and these law enforcement and wildlife enforcement repeat the questions searching for local law violation. The IGFA frequently asks for, and the officials voluntarily give their event notes, to the IGFA for pending world record statuses. I do not know how the IGFA uses law enforcement agencies in Japan, but I suspect closer to the US, than if the pending record was caught in some banana republic where the entire law enforcement staff could be bought off for a few dollars.

IF (and that's a big IF) a pending record passes the caught legally test, then IGFA initiates it's "Does it pass IGFA regulations?" test. The IGFA accumulates all the press releases, photos, law enforcement records, and all other records looking for the obvious killer.

IF (and that's a big IF) a pending record passes the "Legal IGFA application" test then it goes to the "smell" test. I'm not sure of just what their smell test is but for example if a fish's weight and girth do not correspond with the certified weight, it does not pass the smell test. Another example is if a 100 pound fish was caught on a 2 pound tippet, it does not pass the smell test. The IGFA may send private investigators to the area where the fish was caught and collect confidential data to let the IGFA make their decision. Additional lab tests may be ordered.

The IGFA has no time limits on IT'S work and answers to no public regulatory agency. I read once where an angler was awarded world record status. Ten years later he died and in a will submitted to Probate Court he admited he had lied about his catch. The IGFA struck his name and restored the previous record horder to Current status.

Publicity-wise this Japanese LM Bass World record is probably the biggest record IGFA has ever handled. Regardless of which way it goes, this record will be analyzed to death for years to come IMHO.

Good luck and go fishing!

John

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All of these points about activities of law enforcement and wildlife enforcement do sound very strange to me , rather not like taking place in a democratic system somehow !

Your statements rather remind me to a case of someone trying to cheat for insurance money by burning down his own barn or mutilating himself or similar !!!!!!

In my point of view it is more than questionable to trigger such general suspicions against everybody claiming a record fish .

The only intention I can see behind this is the big sponsor money paid out for TRUE record catches , but still it is very , very questionable .

But probably there must have been many cases of cheating for records as well , to make the authorities do so ?

That "smell" test by the IGFA might turn out to be questionable as well in some specific cases , .........off course it this possible to boat a big fish with a line or leader , that is much too weak for the purpose , one can ocassionally read about accidental catches like that.

Certainly only anglers with greatest experience , skills , patience , quality gear and a real big share of luck can achieve that , but I remember to have read about cases of fish landed on only 20% to 25% or even less pounds test line compared to the fish's own weight .

I only know ,.... if I had to face all of these troubles , I probably would not claim for any record , even if in my believe everything went along accordingly to ALL restrictions , ......it must be quite disgusting to be treated like a criminal , just because you've been lucky to hook the fish of a lifetime :?.

But would it be easy to probably let hundreds of thousands of bucks swim away :?:??

I am happy , we do not have such over here , ........catch a record fish , weigh it officially and find two whitnesses and you're on the list in those particular angling magazines , having the chance to win a quality rod and/or reel every issue and some tackle worth a few hundred € at the end of the season , and that's it !

So not much temptation to cheat , except maybe only people that probably need such for their own ego or if suffering from a lack of self confidence:?:lol: .

But great info anyway ,...... it's nice and interesting to look "over the fence" sometimes ,..... thanks a lot , John:wink::yes: .

greetz , Dieter:yay:

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In the US times are changing. When I was a boy things were often handled with a handshake. A man's word was his promise. Today that has all changed. If you can catch some reality interrogation TV shows over there that run on cable (Cops, 48 hours, Jail, etc.) it is easy to see that many people tell lies. Lying has moved to fishing. Of course not everyone lies, but enough do that detection effort is mandatory. It is sad to see all the effort necessary to discover the truth.

You have a sport called Futbol, we call Soccer. Parents of kids playing it along with Little League Baseball, Hockey and swimming just go crazy trying to win. Fights break out and sometimes shootings. This win at all cost attitude has moved into children's fishing records and lots of regulations and truth-detecting effort is necessary.

The "smell" test is woven through all IGFA rules. When they started keeping records they defined a game fish as one caught by one angler with one rod, one reel, one line and one hook. Now seventy years later all kinds of nets and seines and helpers are outlawed. So nowadays when a 85 pound girl catches a 200 pound record fish legally without help, it fails the smell test.

FYI some people make the pursuit of fishing records their life. Billy Autery holds over 50 Texas state records and a husband/wife team holds over 100 saltwater world records as I recall.

With most of my fishing in the rear view mirror, I will not pursue any record fish. My pursuit and love is to catch and release BIG LM Bass 5-6 pounds and up, caught only on topwater and only with fly rod and ultralite gear. However if a record bass is possible I will jump through all the hoops and apply for the applicable records.

Good luck and good fishing!

John

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Can't get such shows over here , ......the way , that I imagine them to be like , would be against moral customs over here , they would not show such on TV..........not yet we've got that far !

We have similar as well , but to a weaker degree , I guess ,...... no personality rights of anybody must be offended , even not of suspects .

But they also show a few of American police videos in some programs , either chasing down criminals or interviewing suspects in murder cases , etc. , ........but these are all imported and often more than a decade old , .........nothing like that from our own local police , .....it would be against the law to show REAL cases in public , ......and if they do , they would replay it with actors and name changes .

If there are local cases shown , they won't show no suspects in details , only if the person was convicted by a legal court , they'd probably show the official police pictures , not much more than that .

No interview videos broadcasted , most of the programs are re-acting and interviews with police officers , attorneys , coroners , whitnesses , etc. ,..... personality rights of offenders and victims alike are kept more over here as probably in the States .

Anyway , but I see point in that honesty and moral don't have a good stand anymore nowadays , its all about money and success .

Small guys constantly see big guys easily getting away with ruthlessness , immorality , cheating and lying , just for their own benefit , .........so they'd think to themselves , "why not doin' the same thing , if I'd have a chance ?"..........sooner or later it becomes the declaration of bankruptcy for a social society .

We have a proverb in German saying as much as "the fish stinks from down the head" , ......much truth about it , I guess !

Sorry for little OT , ......greetz , diemai:yay:

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The first reports came out about a possible new world record largemouth bass caught in Japan on July 2, 2009, and it weighed 22 pounds, 5 ounces, which was one ounce more than the 77 year old record of George Perry.

Here is what I reported first on my website on July 2, 2009, just a few hours after the bass was first caught.

Congrats to the angler on a fine catch.

Lake Biwa shocked the bass world a couple years ago by producing a bass that was well over 18 pounds (The Japan record was caught at Lake Ikehara, and weighted over 19 pounds.).

A 25 lb. bass was caught as by catch in a fisherman's net earlier this year, so many thought it would be just a matter of time before a record size fish was taken from Japan's largest (over 70 miles long) natural lake.

More updates from the Deps site:

As best I can summarize before the actual translating: He (reporter) was returning from a previous trip and had been out late that night. The next day around 12 he got a call about the big bass and to hurry as it was over 20 pounds. He arrived with a camera crew. The fish was originally kept in a recirculating livewell but as the day wore on the power died and so did the fish ultimately. Originally they thought of donating the fish live to the local museum for tourism purposes. The fish is now frozen and awaiting certification process.

When the fish was landed, the hook(s) fell out right as he got it in the net. It is still unclear even from the translator whether it is a lure or live bait that was used.

It apears to not have been caught on the "Mother" swimbait as was originally speculated. It also appears to have been caught in deep open water.

ROD: SIDEWINDER THE DOM DRIVER F / E

LINE: TORAY SUPER HARD STRONG 25lb

Then on July 4, 2009, I received this update on the staus and a video surfaced which i posted to my site.

It's amazing how quiet it is in Japan after the news that Japanese angler Manubu Kurita may have tied the more than 77-year-old all-tackle world record for bass with a 22-pound, 5-ounce largemouth he caught from Lake Biwa in the Shiga Prefecture of Japan.

Jon Storm of BassFan.com said the lack of news could be because the rights for the story have been locked in by a magazine there. Storm has reported the bass was caught on live bait, but there's also a report that Kurita used a $300 swimbait. He represents Deps Tackle Co., a Japanese firm. Storm has been told that Lure Magazine in Japan might have secured the rights to this fish story, so the details of the catch could be a while in coming.

THE VIDEO OF THIS BASS IS NOW UP IN THE VIDEO SECTION OF THIS SITE. Northeast Bass Fishing For Trophy Bass - Videos

I was excited at this point with all the commotion surrounding this catch, and the fact that we may have a new world record, even though I assumed it was going to come from California like so many others also thought, but it was still exciting to see such a monster finally weighed and certified, so I thought.

Then came the news that they had certified the scales in Japan and it was over the 22.4 mark of the Perry bass, and that the Japanese media, DEPS lure company, and LURE magazine in particular, had secured the rights to the story and were witholding any other information at all to the public because they were going to sell the DVD in Japanese later in the year and run an article in Lure magazine. Hmmm. seems strange that they wouldn't want to capitalize on the biggest money making opportunity to hit bass fishing in 77 years, I thought.

At this point I was wondering what was going on along with everyone else.

Then came the ICAST 2009 show in Florida, and the rumors started to fly about the bass being caught in an off-limits area of Lake Biwa and the IGFA does not allow world records from what it calls "Sanctuaries".

After hearing this, I started examining the photographs a lot more closely. I ran the video in slow motion and after about 2 hours started to really question the big red marks all over this bass. They really looked familiar to me but I couldn't figure out from where. That was until my cousin, who is a commercial fisherman came over and looked at them, and said "Those marks on that bass look just like the ones on the fish I catch in my Gill Nets!".

Now I knew where I had seen these before. I tried as hard as I could to discount this theory by trying to find some type of predator in Lake Biwa that may have caused those marks, but I couldn't. Then I tried to find any other bass with those marks that lived in lakes that had a high level of contamination, but I just didn't see it. I have had people tell me they have caught bass with these marks on them in Korea before. If they prove not to be marks from a net, then they must be an infection of some sort that I am not familiar with, but then my next question is raised, which is: "Why are they serving these and other fish from Lake Biwa on the restaurant menu with those types of infections on them? I know I certainly wouldn't want to eat anything that had those marks on it. If that's what you can see..What is in it that you can't see?

Now I am not going to say that I know conclusively that this is what they are, but it seems strange that the IGFA has not received any paperwork on this bass at all as of today, July 23, 2009, and neither has any other organization in Japan that I am aware of. There is no news, no comments by Japanese media, nothing! We will just have to wait and see what happens, but at this point I am really skeptical! You can view all these photos and videos yourself and you be the judge at Delaware Trophy Bass.

Given all the controversy surrounding Manubu Kurita

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BREAKING NEWS SEPTEMBER 15th, 2009

IGFA receives documentation, photos on pending world record largemouth bass caught in JapanWeight matches current IGFA record held for 77 years by Georgia's George Perry

Manabu Kurita hold his (pending) World Record Largemouth Bass.DANIA BEACH, Fla. USA, (September 15, 2009) --- Documentation for amuch talked about 22 lb 4 oz largemouth bass, caught from Japan'slargest lake in July, has arrived into the International Game FishAssociation (IGFA) headquarters for world record recognition.

Late Monday, the IGFA, the 70-year old non-profit fisheriesconservation, education and record-keeping body, received theapplication for the largemouth bass (Micropterus salmoides), caughtJuly 2, by Manabu Kurita, 32, of Aichi, Japan. IGFA rules for fishcaught outside the U.S. allows anglers 90 days to submit theirapplications from the date of their catch.

IGFA conservation director Jason Schratwieser said the World All-Tackleapplication is currently under review after it was received through theJapan Game Fish Association (JGFA).

Schratwieser said the application stated the bass weighed 10.12 kg (22lbs 4 ozs) and was pulled from Lake Biwa an ancient reservoir northeastof Kyoto. Photos and video were also submitted with the written documentation.

Kurita's fish would tie the current record held for over 77 years byGeorge Perry caught on Georgia's Montgomery Lake, June 2, 1932, nearJacksonville, Georgia.

In North America the largemouth bass, and especially the All-Tackle record, is considered by millions of anglers as the "holy grail" offreshwater fish because of its popularity and the longevity of Perry'srecord.

Largemouth bass have also been introduced in many countries and inJapan fisheries officials consider it an invasive species. In addition,because bass are not native and are stocked in Japan, many speculatedthat the big bass was a sterile triploid. However when biologists inJapan examined the ova of the big female they concluded that the fish was not triploid.

IGFA World Records Coordinator Becky Wright reported Kurita's fishmeasured 27.20 inches in length and an almost equal girth of 26.77inches. She said Kurita was using a blue gill as live bait trolling through a canal.

A decision by the IGFA of whether Kurita's fish will tie Perry's record may take up to a month.

"We have a formal relationship with our sister organization, the JapanGame Fish Association where they first collect and review recordapplications for fish caught in Japan," said Schratwieser. "It worksout well because they not only translate applications but can alsocontact the angler if more documentation is needed.

"We still have a number of questions to ask them and Kurita regardinglocal laws and the area he caught it in while he was trolling through acanal on the lake," said Schratwieser.

"We hope to make an announcement in three to four weeks."

Annually the IGFA publishes a comprehensive list of current records onnearly 1100 species of fresh and saltwater fish across the globe in itshighly acclaimed World Record Game Fishes (WRGF) book which is divided into all-tackle, line classes, fly, and junior record categories.

The IGFA has been recognized as the official keeper of world saltwater fishing records since its founding in 1939. In 1978 it added the fieldof freshwater record-keeping when Field & Stream magazinetransferred its 68 years of records to the IGFA Fishing Hall of Fame& Museum, the association's world headquarters in Dania Beach, Fla.

The IGFA is a not-for-profit organization committed to the conservationof game fish and promotion of responsible, ethical angling practicesthrough science, education, rule making and record keeping. IGFA members are located in over 125 countries and territories. The IGFA welcomes visitors to its interactive Fishing Hall of Fame & Museumin Dania Beach, Florida.

Photos in the gallery and full article in the world record bass section

http://delawaretrophybass.com

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Now that the application has been formally received by IGFA, the discussions will no doubt intensify. Any kind of information released to the public will be scrutinized and questioned by the public, but not by IGFA in my opinion.

Because the IGFA and JGFA have a signed agreement, the IGFA would need extensive evidence of fraud about his application that was approved by JGFA. I do not believe the IGFA will look for fraud. I believe they will accept what JGFA approved, translated and submitted. I read in some IGFA news release that IGFA would make a decision "within three weeks". In the US, in the past, the IGFA rarely gives precise time frames when they will make decisions or announcements. I take IGFA'a statement to mean the IGFA will rubber stamp JGFA's submittal.

But like a famous baseball player/coach, Yogi Berra once said, "It aint over 'til it's over."

Good luck and go fish!

John

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Hi Guys. You have a lot of incomplete information going around here. I have all the current information on this and all world record bass as well as articles on this topic and over 600 free videos as well as a video of the current bass from Japan and the REAL world record from California at 25.1 being caught and weighed on TV. Stop in my site and take a look in the galery and video sections as well and get the real story on this. We also have all Romanmade Swimbaits at a discount with Free shipping. Tight lines, Steve

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