cranker Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 I am looking for information on the booyah style spinnerbait body,it has the rare plastic trailer keeper barb molded in which is very handy for me.I use booyah 1/2 oz. double gold willow in mainly the coleslaw color and I am about tired of never being able to find them to purchase,anytime you find a shop that sells them they will not carry that color and it is one of their oldest color patterns.I can make the skirts like I need them easily but the problem is matching that body.does anyone have any info on how to go about getting some knock offs built with the same head and wire? close wont work because I have tried several but they just dont seem to work as good as the factory made set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted July 7, 2009 Report Share Posted July 7, 2009 (edited) If close isn't good enough, then you will have to have a mold made. Then you will also have to pour it and paint it. I personally think that this is an expensive adventure for a spinnerbait. The other thing too is that if you have a mold made, hopefully it will work the same as the original. Another potential problem is some or all guys that would make a mold might not do it for you due to copyright or patent infringement. Nobody wants to get sued. Finally you could make the mold yourself, but if you do, do not start selling the spinnerbaits as you will also get sued.......................Just some info for you to think about. Edited July 7, 2009 by cadman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cranker Posted July 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Thats allot to think about ! I am not looking to get anyone sued or in trouble,I just need some spinnerbait heads.As popular as the booyah style heads are now days one would think someone here has mastered a knockoff by now.And as far as patents and copyrites,I deal with that all the time in the field I work in which is steel manufacturing and I can tell you this,something as subtle as a slight change in the design of the baitkeeper barb or shape of the head in some slight way and all the copyrites and patents are out the window! It dont take much at all to get around that.I would simply go to the tackle shop and buy the real thing if booyah could ever keep the product readily available instead of constantly having a heap of backorders to the vendors needing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Cranker, I don't know if anything you have custom made will perform like the original. I pour an ultra-minnow spinnerbait, that has a minnow head. Would it perform like your original. I honestly couldn't tell you that. You can make your own mold out of Durham wood putty or Bondo. They all have their own flaws. But you will have an identical replica. Since you are mking these for yourself, you won't need a production mold. The down side to this, is that you will have to take several hours to get it done correctly. I don't know if this would be worth your time. PM me your e-mil, I have some other questions to ask you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljaw Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Have you ever tried using different head and wire combos to get what you are looking for? The reason I asked was the same thing happened to me with a paticular bait, Terminator spinnerbait, when they first came out before the T-1 and T-2 and all of that kind of nonsense. I'd lose blades and swivels because the loop wasn't all the way closed and once the titanium was tempered ther was no real way of closing it but that bait was working for me. I tried a bunch of different ones but nothing worked so I decided it was time to make my own, I started with a bullet head design and tinkered around with different wire and blade combos and found things that worked for me(thats half the fun of making your own tackle), then I found the ultra minnow head and I've been using it ever since. The head design determines how the bait moves through the water, some heads have more weight toward the belly and fall faster others, like the ultra minnow, will fall slightly slower but will come through weeds like nobodys business, I guess what I'm trying to say is get some baits with different kids of wire and blade configurations and just might be surprised to find that there is more than one bait that'll work for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reeves Posted July 8, 2009 Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 Cranker, Just a thought. Have you tried Bass Pro Shops or Cabela's?. You can generally find what you are looking for from them, and in quantity if needed. If you don't have a store nearby, try on-line or possibly you have a catalog. I too would suggest the Ultra Minnow head. If you are not familiar with it, Cadman's avatar is an Ultra Minnow. Great spinnerbait head and comes in all the sizes. If you don't want to purchase the mold from Do-it, most anyone on this forum would pour you a bunch at a reasonable price, with the hook and wire size of your choice to boot. You seem to be more interested in the plastic bait keeper. Seems I recall seeing those in a slip on form in a catalog at one time, but can't remember which one exactly, just something I stumbled upon when looking for something else. Good luck and if you need more help, just yell. All these guys are pointing you in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cranker Posted July 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2009 (edited) Yea,I check with BPS and Cabelas from time to time but they do not carry the 1/2 oz. cole slaw color,everything else is there just not that one.As a last resort I guess I can buy another color with the 1/2 oz. double willow /gold/gold and make my own skirts to change out on them but I was hoping to run across someone who may already be making something compatible to the booyah.I hate to buy a full price bait just for the head and then have to buy the skirt matl. to change it out but I will if I have to.I ran across a guy on ebay who had a bunch of the 3/16 oz. booyah heads with the wire form and all just no blades or skirts,I and talked to him about possibly getting me the 1/2 oz version but he could only get 3/16.not sure how he is getting them but I sure would love to know .I kind of figure he has a source with someone who works for one of the companies that actually pour them for booyah,they dont actually pour any of their heads but have them made outside.thanks for the ideas and maybe someone will turn up who has already mastered a good knockoff version of it.I hate to be so darn picky about it but I tried different spinnerbaits for years and never did any good at all consistently with them until I started using that one. Edited July 8, 2009 by cranker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROWINGADUBAY Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 I thought boohay's claim to fame was the titanium wire they use it is suppose to give off more vibration than any other material something to do with the oscilation of the wire in relation to the blades. I have a friend that wont fish with anything other than titanium even if I copy his favorite spinner to a Tee and give them to him for free!!!! I don't know if this is true but there may be something to it .It may be why you have such good luck with this spinnerbait!! I also don't know if any place sells titanium wire or how easy it would be to bend. I will start a new post on this subject to see what we can come up with it might get interesting. I hope I didn't discourage your efforts to come up with a facsimile Good luck George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reeves Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 George, I think you may have Booyah mixed up with Terminator, which uses titanium wire. Although Booyah may have some titanium wire baits, I am just not aware of it. Personally, and this is just my personal opinion, I think the Booyah spinnerbait is a generic import looking bait. I have one in a package hanging over my desk in my shop for the sole purpose to remind me of how NOT to make a spinnerbait. I say that having never fished one, so it is a biased statement. Why should I use one, I make my own and they seem to catch plenty of fish, so why change? Back to the titanium wire. If you use and sell baits with titanium wire, you most likely will receive a call from Terminators lawyer as they have and enforce a patent on the stuff. They will let you make and sell them, but you have to pay so much per bait to them for that priveledge. I could be wrong, but I do believe it must be heated to bend, which makes less attractive to work with. The selling feature of the titanium wire spinnerbait was that it could be fished through some of the nastiest cover and the wire would always snap back to it's original shape. Nice feature, just not worth the cost. Teriminator made a ton of money the first couple of years they marketed the bait for approximately double the cost of a stainless wire bait. They did catch the fishermen, who in turn were quick to figure out that the blades did fall off, and for the money, it just wasn't worth it. Hope this all helped, some anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljaw Posted July 9, 2009 Report Share Posted July 9, 2009 Booyah has what they call the "vibra-flex" wire, it's nothing more than thin diameter super stainless, the Terminator baits are good but in order to make them out of titanium the wire is bent first then after it's bent they heat temper them which is something you can't do at home. In raw form titanium is brittle but after it's tempered it has that "snap back" property, the big deal about that was the fact they could make a bait with a large diameter wire that vibrated like thin wire yet be more durable the only problem was that some baits the loop wasn't completely closed which would cause you to lose blades and swivels and the other problem is the tempering process wasn't always perfect and you would catch a fish and the next thing you know you were reeling in just part of the wire because the bait broke in half and at $8 or$9 a pop it's hard to swallow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
