HeadBanger Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Hello fellow pourers and anglers just a note that my wonderful home state of Maine may be impossing a ban on all non-biodegradable soft baits. That eliminates hundreds of companys and what do we do with all our old baits. Keep an ear to the ground on this one in your own states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 HB This is no damned different than all the lead bans going on, especially when the facts prove otherwise. I also think it's being pushed by the tackle companies to knock off the cottage industry companies. And with all the Environmental groups pushing on top of it don't help either. I would have no problem pouring non-lead tackle if the companies out there would provide a product for home molders that was as cheap as lead BUT THEY DON"T. If you get around the boards you'll hear it everywhere, I know some guys out in California that are stock piling wheel weights IN THE TONS!!!!! because the laws just changed that they can't use lead wheel weights on cars anymore. Make sure to fight the proposed ban in Maine, write your Congressmen and woman. Fatman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitbull Baits Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 I think if they were to try it here in Nebraska. We along of the rest of the mid west would join with Texas and leave Obama land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longhorn Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 You could always move to Texas and fish all year long. Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny.Barile Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Dont fret over this. There are plenty of environmentally safe plastics that can be compounded to replace plastisol. The reason PVC (vinyl) based plastisol is used for soft lures is because it is readily available and affordable. The reason it is so readily available is its wide spread use. The majority of it being used not for fishing lures, but for medical and industrial use. There is a world wide discussion going on about banning the use of all vinyl based products. When that starts to happen, it will cause another safer plastic to move up to a higher level of production which will make it cheaper and more readily available to us for our lures. BTW.....Right now you can achieve the same results with urethane rubber casting compounds with a fractional difference in cost.......and you dont need to heat them to pour...........(less fumes) Last year I got angry when I could no longer find lead egg weights locally. I learned to work around that and well.....I got over it........ Necessity is the mother of invention.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tupong Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 G'day all we havent got any bans proposed here in australia but trying to source plastisol is very very hard .I'm interested in anything that can subsitute it ,so if there are alternatives i'd b very greatful to hear about them .There is a push to less leadand use more "enviromentally freindly" products but i wonder how much dif it makes if you use a plastic coated tar substitute or lead? regards mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadBanger Posted August 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 With this "proposed" plastics ban it wasn't just vinyl based plastics but all plastics the guy that did the study "government funded" I'm sure didn't diferenciate(spelling?) between products. If anything affects a trout or salmon in maine the whole world stops turning. They want bio-baits(like gulp) to be the only thing allowed to be used in maine waters. We can thank some well known outdoor magazines with spreading the word of one side only. Could you imagine getting a fine for having a senko rigged on a rod in a rod locker that you don't even use. My gramps was a bootleger in indiana back in the day maybe I'll have to follow suit with bringing power worms across the border.LOL If any members have links or anything in regards to an other option lets get a post going on here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tupong Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 G'day all, i've been playing around with making "bio plastic"not cause i'm a hippy just because i cant get plastisol ,its basically cornstarch, vinegar, glycerine and water (the reciepe can b found on the instructable site) ,not really happy with the results, but it may have promise if some 1 a bit smarter than me had a try it might b an anlternative ? regards mick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I've been experimenting with konyaku jelly, from conjak powder. I have not managed to achieve a jelly yet and need input from someone who knows about this stuff. It is a Japanese food stuff. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redg8r Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 My understanding is that alginate is a key ingredient. Most are available in a quick-set variety formulated for dental and lifecast use. mixing with a warm water base can cure some varieties in as little as 45 seconds, a demolding time hard to beat even with handpour plastisols. I get both sides of the issue, if legislation prohibits, evolve & diversify. JMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COBRA Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 i havent tried it, but lurecraft has bio plastic for about the same price as traditional plastisol. doesnt colorado or some lakes out there have a ban? the whole cali wheel weight deal is the dumbest thing i have ever heard of, people lose more lead in water than falling off wheel weights. berkeley i am sure just wants in more with their gulp! or those food source lures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redg8r Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Phthalate free plastic isnt a "bio" plastic, its just safer, it still won't biodegrade. Berkely and other companies aren't pushing this agenda, it surely doesn't hurt their bio line of baits, but do you think they're willing to sacrifice their larger line of conventional plastics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HJS Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 HeadBanger (or anyone) - Do you have any more details about this prohibition of non-biodegradable soft plastics in Maine? I spent 30 minutes going thru the Maine freshwater fisheries site and saw no mention of this issue. Is this just being talked about or is this issue on the fast tract for implementation in the next year or two. I read on the LLBean site that they will be selling only biodegradable plastics beginning August 1 of this year. I'd really like to know the individuals or groups that are pushing for this ban on non-biodegradable plastics... and more importantly, what is their hidden agenda that the general public doesn't get to hear. I can't help but to fear the worst for the future of recreational fishing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratmanv Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 HJS, This issue is a result of testing done on salmonoid species in Maine waters that contain both Bass and Trout/Salmon species. Results found undigested plastic baits in the stomaches of trout species that were swelling up and taking so much space as to prevent them from eating real food, and causing them to die of malnutrition for lack of a better word. They went as far as to deem one lake "no bass tournaments allowed", with talk of others to be named. They have since stopped it there, with the Dept of Fish and Wildlife urging fisherman to make the switch to bio plastics. How far this will go is anyones guess. A recent study has stated that as much as 25 million pounds of plastics are added to the bottom of the lakes in the U.S anually! That number is staggering. I just returned from a week in Maine and have been in contact with the director of fisheries management quite a bit recently. He is receiving a lot of political pressure from "trouties" about this issue. I only know this stuff because he's been in contact about a product I produce that he thinks could be a step in the right direction. The fact of the matter is that even biodegradeable plastics take far too long to break down to prevent this from happening. This should be a wakeup call for any fisherman who throws used baits over the side of the boat to think twice about ever doing it again. We all need to do our part before we all suffer the consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Strat, what material are you using? I am interested. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 I spent a while looking and the only thing I can find is a proposal to ban plastic shopping bags. I'd like to see more info also. Fatman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratmanv Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Vman, pm sent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kajan Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 I think the biggest problem is people tossing used lures overboard. I see bass in pond that eat tails off worms , end up throwing up the tails later and I find them floating along bank. I have caught and cleaned speckled trout and reds with old lures in their stomachs and never noticed any problems with fish, lures seem to actually be decaying somewhat. Maybe they should just ban fishing all together so we don't hurt any pwesons':huh: I think live bait actually hurts more fish than plastics. My opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratmanv Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Study: Soft Plastic Lures Harming Maine’s Trout, Salmon - Daily Bag Limit - Fish talk This should sum it up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Guys help me out with this one. What is the claim? I did read over but I still don't understand exactly what they're saying the soft plastic is doing to the fish. As far as trout fishing goes, my state did ban the use of scented soft plastic for trout fishing. But that was mainly because that poor guy flopping that fly back and forth on the water was watching the guy on the bank with a spinning reel and a Berkely Power worm catch fish after fish after fish. The claim was that the scented bait caused the fish to eat if faster, but the swallowed hook was the issue here not the soft plastic. I've been fishing soft plastics since I was old enough to hold a fishing rod, I can't tell you how many times I've pulled up a largemouth with a rubber worm hanging out of his butt. So I always figured this too will pass. I'm 47 years old and I have never once seen a fish that you could say for sure died from soft plastics. I've seen fishing line with a lead sinker hanging out of the fish, I even had a largemouth that two legs and the tail of a lizard was hanging out and it wasn't plastic, it was what was left of the real thing. Not too long ago I caught a smallmouth with a crawfish claw sticking out of his butt. So knowing that fish eat, digest and pass all of these things, I'm just really confused. I've caught many fish that didn't look healthy(largemouth with big heads and little bodies) and have cut these open and never once in over 30 years of fishing have I found a swollen or rotting piece of plastic. So if somebody could just give me the roundabout of exactly what the problem is or is it the same problem everywhere. Or is it more of an environmental issue than an issue with the fish itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallie Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 I am very surprised to read there are people throwing their used baits overboard. Everyone I know throws them in the bottom of the boat and they blow out on the way home. Seriously, throw them on the floor and pick them up after you get the batteries on charge. Wow. On another note, I was reading about a bait made by Jackall. It described the bait as being made from Edum. Then it had a line that said. About EDUM: The material will dissolve into "water" and "carbon dioxide" within a short period of time (30-60 days). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
