MuskyGary Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Could someone tell me how they pour core worms? Im talking about the western finesse worms. I can see pouring the base then the core and finishing up with the top, but you would need something very fine to pour that core. Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBK Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Could someone tell me how they pour core worms? Im talking about the western finesse worms. I can see pouring the base then the core and finishing up with the top, but you would need something very fine to pour that core. Any ideas? Do you mean core shots? If so, they use injectors. Shoot the outside color up to about an inch from the top of your mold, then shoot the core color. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Prager Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 Could someone tell me how they pour core worms? Im talking about the western finesse worms. I can see pouring the base then the core and finishing up with the top, but you would need something very fine to pour that core. Any ideas? Anchor brand makes a smaller 8oz cup. You can get a pretty thin stream with that. It just takes a little practice. If you use only only 2-4 oz in the cup you will have good control over the stream. Let the core set up about 30 seconds then pour the top. If you pour the top too soon you will get a split vein. The core will run to the sides. At least this is how I do it and it works pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB GONE Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 (edited) A true core shot has the color only inside the bait, no color runs to the side. If color goes to the side, that really is a standard vein (vs split vein). Core shots are extremely difficult to do by hand pouring but can be done... It really is all timing to me and tough to explain but I will try. Pour your first color and let it set up a little bit. As the plastic cools, you get a slight concave area. Pour a small amount into the area without putting to much as to reach the sides. Then again allow for some set-up time and pour your final color or the original color on the bottom. All of this actually happens in around 20 seconds or so I'd guess. It also works well if you pour just a line of plastic initially and then pour your core color on that line. Neither touch the sides of the mold. This takes a lot of practice! Then, you can pour the final color and any cold lines or blemishes will be on the bottom of the worm/bait. As listed above, you might want to check out the hand injector systems as you can blast a core shot with far less practice. If I get time, I'll post up some core shot baits in the gallery (if it is up..) I would guess it took me almost 1 year from when I started hand pouring to the time I could actually get decent, reproduceable core shots. Hand injection will take WAY less than that. Good luck!!!! Jim PS I use your standard pyrex and Anchor cups. The spouted pans deliver a very thin stream as well. Edited November 5, 2009 by ghostbaits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Prager Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 A true core shot has the color only inside the bait, no color runs to the side. If color goes to the side, that really is a standard vein (vs split vein). Core shots are extremely difficult to do by hand pouring but can be done... It really is all timing to me and tough to explain but I will try. Pour your first color and let it set up a little bit. As the plastic cools, you get a slight concave area. Pour a small amount into the area without putting to much as to reach the sides. Then again allow for some set-up time and pour your final color or the original color on the bottom. All of this actually happens in around 20 seconds or so I'd guess. It also works well if you pour just a line of plastic initially and then pour your core color on that line. Neither touch the sides of the mold. This takes a lot of practice! Then, you can pour the final color and any cold lines or blemishes will be on the bottom of the worm/bait. As listed above, you might want to check out the hand injector systems as you can blast a core shot with far less practice. If I get time, I'll post up some core shot baits in the gallery (if it is up..) I would guess it took me almost 1 year from when I started hand pouring to the time I could actually get decent, reproduceable core shots. Hand injection will take WAY less than that. Good luck!!!! Jim PS I use your standard pyrex and Anchor cups. The spouted pans deliver a very thin stream as well. I find hand pouring easier to make a reproduceable bait than the hand injection. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB GONE Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 I find hand pouring easier to make a reproduceable bait than the hand injection. Maybe I'm doing something wrong. LOL... Hey Richard, I think it would be easier to make a sucessful core shot with a hand injection system. Can;t speak on reproducibility as you can, I'm not hand injecting yet. I would guess with time you might achieve better results. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB GONE Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 (edited) Oops...double post! Jim Edited November 5, 2009 by ghostbaits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuskyGary Posted November 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Thanks guys for the info. Im going to try the hand pour way. Only make baits for myself so they don't have to be perfect! Gary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rxfish Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 You can make that core shot or blood line as we call it here using the Lee Production Pot. For me its easier to control the speed at which I slide the mold under the spout and how much plastic I need to dispense to make that line. Its not all bad to let that line extend to the outer edges of the mold which make for some interesting looking baits. A good example would be the flirt worms made by Reaction Innovations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRegulator Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 I have tried core shots a few times and have not had very good results. Maybe someone had already tried this but I had an idea. Could you pour a stream on a non stick surface for the core. It should be easier to pour a thinner straighter line, than trying to keep still the short disctance of the mold. Cut a section the right length. Pour the bottom half of the mold. Place the cut 'core' section on the bottom half already poured. Close the mold and fill the rest of the mold. Seems like it would work. Only question would be if it would adhere well enough if the 'core' cooled. Anybody try this before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRegulator Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Better yet, that got me thinking. If that would work, why not make a mold the perfect size for the core? De-mold and place in for the core? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kajan Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 I think it would be easier to just pour it. I only use presto pots, but is fairly easy to get small stream, especially with med plastic and softer. This pic did'nt come out well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB GONE Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Just to be sure what we are talking about guys, a core shot is color in the center of the bait and does not touch any of the outside of the bait. A split vein is where you can see the color but really only well from the side of the bait as the vein splits to the side of the mold. From the top or bottom of the bait, you cannot see the color well if at all. A vein is where you have color down the middle of the bait and you can generally see the vein from the top of the bait as well as the side view. This is just terminology I have seen used over the years that may make things easier to explain or talk about. Hand pouring a core shot is tough with a high failure rate until you really get things times well. Veins and split veins are a lot easier to do in a variety of ways. In the end, most of the baits seen out there have split veins as they are the easiest to make. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallie Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 My experience with multiple colors is if you don't allow time for the first color to set up, the second color mixes with it. Then you have a bait without a clear defining line between the colors. After seeing this happen, it is hard for me to understand how an injector shooting two colors in at once can keep the colors from mixing together. Can someone explain that to me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zbass Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 (edited) When shooting a core shot with the hand injector, you do not do both colors at the exact same time. The outer color is poured into the sprue, then the inner color is shot into the sprue. There is not a lot of time inbetween these steps as both colors do have to make it to the end of the mold. There are others out there that are better at this than me. Maybe they will chime in. Here is a pic. Edited November 6, 2009 by Zbass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB GONE Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Excellent shot Mike!!! Illustrates the core perfect! Sounds like the injection core is a lot like the hand poured core... Trial and error until you get the timing and a system down. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kajan Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 Yea injection core will look almost perfectly round on cross section view. This is what a bloodline/core will look like on left and split vein on the rite. Put the pics in negative view because my picture taking is not nearly as good as zbass's LOL Also for the ones who are not quite as advanced at pouring as some of these fellas you can do like some others who cheat and pour a lure with belly slot, take some plastic paint, paint a blood line in the slot then dip the lure. Will give the lure appearnce of a blood line even though it is not really one or a hand pour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB GONE Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 (edited) Good idea... Might want to use plastic instead of paint even... PS Beware of putting plastic paint on your molds... I ruined some that way! Jim Edited November 6, 2009 by ghostbaits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuskyGary Posted November 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 WOW!! Those are fantastic! I see what you mean about practic, practic practic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB GONE Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 Gary: These are NOT core shots! Just a bloody gill area and a lateral line. All plastic though, no paint. They look good but are done a different way. Thanks for the compliments though!!! Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basseducer Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 A while back one of our members, tylerd1994 put up a video on how to do a corshot with a hand injector. I can still find the link in the tutorial section, but I can't get it to run. Maybe someone can figure it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tylerd1994 Posted November 24, 2009 Report Share Posted November 24, 2009 hey fellas heres the video idk why it wouldnt be playing http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv4/tylerd1994/?action=view¤t=508ee15b.pbr it said on photobucket that this video will be deleted on december 22 due to them taking out the software i used to put three videos into one. so ill post all three soemtime soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeikoS Posted March 20, 2010 Report Share Posted March 20, 2010 hey fellas heres the video idk why it wouldnt be playing http://s664.photobucket.com/albums/vv4/tylerd1994/?action=view¤t=508ee15b.pbr it said on photobucket that this video will be deleted on december 22 due to them taking out the software i used to put three videos into one. so ill post all three soemtime soon can someone reupload this video ? greetings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
