docirv Posted February 19, 2010 Report Share Posted February 19, 2010 (edited) http://cgi.ebay.com/Wenesco-MPUP2-inject-molten-plastisol-into-molds-worms_W0QQitemZ320488716038QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9e9db706 Edited February 19, 2010 by docirv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 We will see how good of a deal it is when it is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Guys just by the looks of this thing, it looks to me like an accident waiting to happen. What do you do just hold the mold up against the nozzle and hope you don't let it slip? I see no clamping device whatsoever. From the description of this thing it's a hot pot in a box. About the same thing that's sold at LC, except in a metal box. I guess if you can't see it you feel safer. There's very limited details on this item, I just wonder why it's for sale. Out of all the things I've seen on the market, this one looks to be the most hazardous of all. At least the one at LC has a nozzle coming out the bottom that you could lower the pot down onto the mold. And unless your mold is drilled with a 1/2" injection hole, I just really don't see a safe way to get the plastic into the mold with a side injecting nozzle. If anybody knows any more details on this apparatus I sure would like to find out more about it. Is there a safety sheet with it? And is there any kind of manufacturers warranty? Like Frank said, it's going to be interesting to see how this one turns out. I can't believe the bid is at $510 already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 I just did a Google search on the company that manufactures this unit, if you really want to get a laugh, check out the P19W plastic melter. Now that's a souped up Lee pot if I've ever seen one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildtail97 Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 We looked at these machines about a year ago, Mike is right, they are scary! Be careful! We ended up going with another idea that was cheaper and 100 times safer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Guys just by the looks of this thing, it looks to me like an accident waiting to happen. What do you do just hold the mold up against the nozzle and hope you don't let it slip? I see no clamping device whatsoever. From the description of this thing it's a hot pot in a box. About the same thing that's sold at LC, except in a metal box. I guess if you can't see it you feel safer. There's very limited details on this item, I just wonder why it's for sale. Out of all the things I've seen on the market, this one looks to be the most hazardous of all. At least the one at LC has a nozzle coming out the bottom that you could lower the pot down onto the mold. And unless your mold is drilled with a 1/2" injection hole, I just really don't see a safe way to get the plastic into the mold with a side injecting nozzle. If anybody knows any more details on this apparatus I sure would like to find out more about it. Is there a safety sheet with it? And is there any kind of manufacturers warranty? Like Frank said, it's going to be interesting to see how this one turns out. I can't believe the bid is at $510 already. Mike the unit isnt bad I am betting it was made for something specific. about 5-6 years ago I was going to carry the winesco pressure pots we had talked to them for a few months in getting a pressure pot out with a mixer on the top. The prototype blue prints I have of the org one have the nozzle on the bottom like it should be. the cost was about the same wholesale wise. we send a few customers over to them here and there over the years, I havent heard any complaints, on there pots, however I dont know if any of the customers bought a pressure pot., I know guys taht said there were but can't remember if they actually did. I have a few pressure posts we made parts for, and had thought about making the pressure pots complete over the years , however I dont want the libility problems in working with any pots presto, pressure or otherwise, I still am not happy with the libility issues of hand injection/suction guns scarey stuff, all it takes is something not made properly or that isnt safe and you will have a big time lawsuit on your hands. hot plastic and pressure are not skin friendly. Delw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 Guys just by the looks of this thing, it looks to me like an accident waiting to happen. What do you do just hold the mold up against the nozzle and hope you don't let it slip? I see no clamping device whatsoever. From the description of this thing it's a hot pot in a box. About the same thing that's sold at LC, except in a metal box. I guess if you can't see it you feel safer. There's very limited details on this item, I just wonder why it's for sale. Out of all the things I've seen on the market, this one looks to be the most hazardous of all. At least the one at LC has a nozzle coming out the bottom that you could lower the pot down onto the mold. And unless your mold is drilled with a 1/2" injection hole, I just really don't see a safe way to get the plastic into the mold with a side injecting nozzle. If anybody knows any more details on this apparatus I sure would like to find out more about it. Is there a safety sheet with it? And is there any kind of manufacturers warranty? Like Frank said, it's going to be interesting to see how this one turns out. I can't believe the bid is at $510 already. Opening bid was 500 so that is not far. The retail is around 3600. We will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Del, since you're somewhat familiar with the thing, tell me more of what's inside the box. I'd like to see how this thing is set up. The thing that scares me the most about it is the position of the nozzle. Now if your injection hole was in the side of the mold, where you had some way of holding a little pressure without tilting it to one side or the other, then yeah it's about as safe as everything else on the market that you inject with by hand, it's really up to the user to be safe. But my machine only uses a 3/8" injection hole and the sample shooter I made has like a 3/16" or maybe a 7/16" injection hole. It's just the thought of a 1/2" stream of plastic spraying off of one side of the mold or the other, say if it was a top fill mold. I usually shoot top fill prototypes and when you are filling from the bottom of the pot, you can hold the mold up against the valve and you've got the weight of the pot pushing back and it's real easy to hold straight. I remember I sent you the plans on how to build one like mine, I wondered what ever came of that. I understand what you're talking about, some Dad buys his kid, 16 or older say, one of these things from you and the kid gets distracted, you wonder how the liabilities would go, and if you're like me, I personally couldn't stand the thought of some kid being scarred for life. Frank, I guess what I should have said, is I couldn't believe someone actually bid on the thing, without seeing what's in the box. Did you look at the Lee pot with the gigantic control system? I thought it was a hoot for 20oz of plastic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 To some people bigger is better. I really want to see what it can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemmy Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 I bid on it, but got outbid... My plan was to eventually, when I had designs how I wanted, to have dedicated custom molds made for it by one of the aluminum mold suppliers..I wouldn't want to try it with off the shelf hand pour or hand injection designs, not with pressure pots... Clemmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Sorry to here you got out bid but someone got a good deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcl58 Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 the one pictured is the one i had them make for me several years back. we took their wax melter and added several 1/4" ports and 1-inch ports. when i recieved the box i stripped it of its controls and hardware. (i knew this before i purchased it, i just needed the hardware to accomplish what i was trying to do)i then added steel supports for the automatic clamping plate and hand clamps. added 4 temperature controllers and thermecouples. four pressure gauges, 3-temperature dail indicaters. air compresser and pressure controls. 4-zone temperature injection piping to clamping plate. three zone mixing paddle, motor starter relays, temperature heater ellement relays, control box for all the new wiring and mounting of temperature controllers. it works but it helps to have working knowledge of temperature/presure controls. the elements are placed to heat the kettle up and it takes a while to do that. that is what the 1-inch port is for , hot plastic to be poured in. i shoot quality lures with the machine, i have had several people call me who have puchased them who had some issues i never heard back from them so maybe they got thiers working. every one sets thiers up a little different, mine is for continuos injection and will do that. it has not plugged once but i have designed some creative piping that other machines don't use. i looked at several machines before i purchased this one, the pricess caused me to go in this direction also with the wenesco i have the ability of having temperature zones which it allows you to maintain plastic at a even temp when other machines heat the plastic in chambers which cause the plastic to be heated unevenly, you can tell the difference when you can bring the plastic to its proper temperature and allow it to cook for 18-minutes then bring it down to 220 for injection if not lower temperature depending on the color of plastic. (shooting clear with out yellowing is an art work which few have mastered). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolinamike Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 the one pictured is the one i had them make for me several years back. we took their wax melter and added several 1/4" ports and 1-inch ports. when i recieved the box i stripped it of its controls and hardware. (i knew this before i purchased it, i just needed the hardware to accomplish what i was trying to do)i then added steel supports for the automatic clamping plate and hand clamps. added 4 temperature controllers and thermecouples. four pressure gauges, 3-temperature dail indicaters. air compresser and pressure controls. 4-zone temperature injection piping to clamping plate. three zone mixing paddle, motor starter relays, temperature heater ellement relays, control box for all the new wiring and mounting of temperature controllers. it works but it helps to have working knowledge of temperature/presure controls. the elements are placed to heat the kettle up and it takes a while to do that. that is what the 1-inch port is for , hot plastic to be poured in. i shoot quality lures with the machine, i have had several people call me who have puchased them who had some issues i never heard back from them so maybe they got thiers working. every one sets thiers up a little different, mine is for continuos injection and will do that. it has not plugged once but i have designed some creative piping that other machines don't use. i looked at several machines before i purchased this one, the pricess caused me to go in this direction also with the wenesco i have the ability of having temperature zones which it allows you to maintain plastic at a even temp when other machines heat the plastic in chambers which cause the plastic to be heated unevenly, you can tell the difference when you can bring the plastic to its proper temperature and allow it to cook for 18-minutes then bring it down to 220 for injection if not lower temperature depending on the color of plastic. (shooting clear with out yellowing is an art work which few have mastered). gcl58, Don't take me wrong, I'm not bad mouthing the machine. I'm sure your baits are of the finest quality. But, this thing's just got my curiosity up. I pretty well used all these things to build mine. Is the heating element a band or a cartridge heater or some other type? Also what do you mean by 4 zone injection piping? What are the 4 different zones? Also, the 3 zone mixing paddle. Is that a 3 bladed mixing paddle or are there 3 different chambers in the box? To me it sounds basically like a well disguised pressure pot, with just a different injection nozzle. Also, it said the original cost was $4000, did you have to buy it new and then do all this work to it? If so, what was the final cost if you don't mind me asking? Again, I'm not putting it down, I've just seen these things made 50 different ways, and this one has just grabbed my interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gcl58 Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 gcl58, Don't take me wrong, I'm not bad mouthing the machine. I'm sure your baits are of the finest quality. But, this thing's just got my curiosity up. I pretty well used all these things to build mine. Is the heating element a band or a cartridge heater or some other type? Also what do you mean by 4 zone injection piping? What are the 4 different zones? Also, the 3 zone mixing paddle. Is that a 3 bladed mixing paddle or are there 3 different chambers in the box? To me it sounds basically like a well disguised pressure pot, with just a different injection nozzle. Also, it said the original cost was $4000, did you have to buy it new and then do all this work to it? If so, what was the final cost if you don't mind me asking? Again, I'm not putting it down, I've just seen these things made 50 different ways, and this one has just grabbed my interest. your right Mike, it is a well disguized pressure pot. i added all the other information to ensure that anyone here in the underground is thinking of buying one for two piece mold injection. the additional equipment is what is required to get it to work. it took several months to retool and complete (my degree is in process instrumentation so dealling with temeperature,pressure and flow is a daily occurrence for me). it is basically a oven with a pot sitting inside of it. same ellements as in a oven, you can play with those, several people use the band elements its a preference call on that. yes, i had to buy it new but not at the above cost, i have the prototype (i purchased it in 2005) based of the addition of the ports i had added (the original pot was used for melting wax, wenesco reconfigured the melter to my porting for plastic) the wenesco people will help in configuring of the ellements i talked to them about the changing of the ellements several times after i recieved the equipment, i have not talked to them since only because i went a seperate way with the equipment and it became proprietary to my process. as i said earlier the pot pictured will work, but for continuos you have to add the rest. for as explaining in detail about the zones i would rather not go into that here. Mike we talked last year on the phone about shooting some of my larger molds (Zorn makes them) by the way, you are shooting some good plastic, saw some lures at a store here in TX with your logo on them, offshore lures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
