Frank Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 I am no expert but here is a video that might help some people out on the two color injector. As you can see it is pretty simple. http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=1iwfu8XL_VY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Prager Posted March 7, 2010 Report Share Posted March 7, 2010 I am no expert but here is a video that might help some people out on the two color injector. As you can see it is pretty simple. http://www.youtube.c...#!v=1iwfu8XL_VY Nice job, Frank! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metal Head Posted March 9, 2010 Report Share Posted March 9, 2010 Sweet Frank, thanks a lot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asipo123 Posted March 10, 2010 Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 I am no expert but here is a video that might help some people out on the two color injector. As you can see it is pretty simple. http://www.youtube.c...#!v=1iwfu8XL_VY Very good video frank what brand of mold was that thanks steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted March 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2010 Very good video frank what brand of mold was that thanks steve Bass Tackles 5" swim bait And Thank You for the kind words all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longhorn Posted March 11, 2010 Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Great video...thanks for sharing. What type of camera did you use? I've been thinking of getting a video camera for fishing and maybe some posting but don't know much about it. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted March 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2010 Great video...thanks for sharing. What type of camera did you use? I've been thinking of getting a video camera for fishing and maybe some posting but don't know much about it. Thanks. The camera is a cheapey one my wife bought from qvc at xmas time it works ok as long as you dont move it. I think she paid like thirty bucks for it and boy it is a breeze to upload to your computer. The first video my daughter held it in her hand, It looked like the blair witch movie. I think all of you would be sick after watching it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassbandit25 Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 great job thanks! I've been wanting to see how its done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96dak Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 great job thanks! I've been wanting to see how its done. That particular set up looks a bit cumbersome, you have to clear out both injectors and the 2 colour block between shots??????? heres a link to a video of Bears 2 colour injector being used, much less cumbersome if you ask me. but to each their own. http://www.bearsbaits.com/forum/index.php?topic=1983.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted March 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 That particular set up looks a bit cumbersome, you have to clear out both injectors and the 2 colour block between shots??????? heres a link to a video of Bears 2 colour injector being used, much less cumbersome if you ask me. but to each their own. http://www.bearsbaits.com/forum/index.php?topic=1983.0 No I just had one mold out in this video.I have shot three molds at a time. I did see the bear video before I bought this one but there was a question on how long I can keep my plastic hot. For me I cant even come close to the time that was on that video. And the taking of both colors at the same time and the even pressure seemed to me a little easier. Not the it matters but if you dont have an injector and want this unit it does come apart so you can use only one injector. No need to buy another. As for cumbersome bears is three parts and this one is two. And the mods to the tips make evacuating the unused plastic a breeze. Like I said in the video the tips dont fall in the hot plastic. My dream station will have two presto pots side by side so I can keep the unit in the hot plastic and use it to no end. These are just my opinions and I do not own one of bears but some day I will. This is just a differant idea from a differant person. Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96dak Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) No I just had one mold out in this video.I have shot three molds at a time. I did see the bear video before I bought this one but there was a question on how long I can keep my plastic hot. For me I cant even come close to the time that was on that video. And the taking of both colors at the same time and the even pressure seemed to me a little easier. Not the it matters but if you dont have an injector and want this unit it does come apart so you can use only one injector. No need to buy another. As for cumbersome bears is three parts and this one is two. And the mods to the tips make evacuating the unused plastic a breeze. Like I said in the video the tips dont fall in the hot plastic. My dream station will have two presto pots side by side so I can keep the unit in the hot plastic and use it to no end. These are just my opinions and I do not own one of bears but some day I will. This is just a differant idea from a differant person. Frank i understand you only had one mold out, but there will come a point when you have to undo 3 wing nuts and clear out the block, unnecessary steps if you ask me I understand 100% that its a different idea, the market is big enough for everyone. as far as the tips, i have been using Bears single injector for nearly a year, and could see the mods to the tip (or screw on tips) getting in the way of production. as long as you take a simple step the tips will not pop out in the plastic What i mean by cumbersome is how bulky the entire unit you have is, it would hinder production and get in the way, especially when you factor in that you have to open the adapter block and clean out the cooled plastic. as for bears being 3 pieces and that one being 2, its really is many more peices when you look at it, and is alot bulkier as well. also consider that that one costs $159.00, and Bears is $99. again im not looking at this from a hobby point of view, im looking at being able to pump out baits in volume and that particular system, although being a good idea, i think is quite bulky and could have been executed in a better manner. Edited March 13, 2010 by 96dak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Prager Posted March 13, 2010 Report Share Posted March 13, 2010 i understand you only had one mold out, but there will come a point when you have to undo 3 wing nuts and clear out the block, unnecessary steps if you ask me I understand 100% that its a different idea, the market is big enough for everyone. as far as the tips, i have been using Bears single injector for nearly a year, and could see the mods to the tip (or screw on tips) getting in the way of production. as long as you take a simple step the tips will not pop out in the plastic What i mean by cumbersome is how bulky the entire unit you have is, it would hinder production and get in the way, especially when you factor in that you have to open the adapter block and clean out the cooled plastic. as for bears being 3 pieces and that one being 2, its really is many more peices when you look at it, and is alot bulkier as well. also consider that that one costs $159.00, and Bears is $99. again im not looking at this from a hobby point of view, im looking at being able to pump out baits in volume and that particular system, although being a good idea, i think is quite bulky and could have been executed in a better manner. I think when it comes to production, it doesn't matter which or who's method of making the baits you use. Hand pour, hand inject with any of them out now...........you will still need someone to de-mold and set the molds up for you. With the molds that have the wing nuts.........all you have to do is remove them and clamp the molds together. Group hug, guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96dak Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 I think when it comes to production, it doesn't matter which or who's method of making the baits you use. Hand pour, hand inject with any of them out now...........you will still need someone to de-mold and set the molds up for you. With the molds that have the wing nuts.........all you have to do is remove them and clamp the molds together. Group hug, guys? oh, no need for a group hug, i was just stating my opinions on these from what i can see. i could care less who's injector someone uses to be honest. If Frank is happy with his purchase then great, thats all that matters. Production wise, i dont know about anyone else but i have been able to pump quite a few baits out myself with no help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted March 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 oh, no need for a group hug, i was just stating my opinions on these from what i can see. i could care less who's injector someone uses to be honest. If Frank is happy with his purchase then great, thats all that matters. Production wise, i dont know about anyone else but i have been able to pump quite a few baits out myself with no help. I was not putting up this video to have a contest on whos is better or easier. I put it up to show another way it can be done. And to respond to price lets do it right One sells for 99 and if you want a single you have to buy another one. With the one for 159 you dont so is there a real differance? MY original idea was to make an adaptor like the one on the twin unit. But when all is said and done this one is more consistant from bait to bait. My opinion on production would be get the right tool to do the job as fast as you want. But that is just me cause if it was me doing production work this would not even be something I would even consider. If there is a better way in your mind please share, sometimes when you get an idea out people will help you. One last note on production, Bear is having a get together in a few weeks and I think he is giving a preview on a new injector and has a two color one in the works. A pressure type pot that his machinist has developed maybe that is more of what is more suitable for your situation. I just dont see a hand injector in the same sentence as true production. That is my opinion. It is a hobby for me and did not intend this thread to be a whos is better than whos post. Thank You all for looking Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96dak Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 I was not putting up this video to have a contest on whos is better or easier. I put it up to show another way it can be done. And to respond to price lets do it right One sells for 99 and if you want a single you have to buy another one. With the one for 159 you dont so is there a real differance? MY original idea was to make an adaptor like the one on the twin unit. But when all is said and done this one is more consistant from bait to bait. My opinion on production would be get the right tool to do the job as fast as you want. But that is just me cause if it was me doing production work this would not even be something I would even consider. If there is a better way in your mind please share, sometimes when you get an idea out people will help you. One last note on production, Bear is having a get together in a few weeks and I think he is giving a preview on a new injector and has a two color one in the works. A pressure type pot that his machinist has developed maybe that is more of what is more suitable for your situation. I just dont see a hand injector in the same sentence as true production. That is my opinion. It is a hobby for me and did not intend this thread to be a whos is better than whos post. Thank You all for looking Frank never once meant it to be that way. like i said, if you are happy with your injector that that is all that matters. just an fyi, with bears you dont need to buy another injector to get a single colour, as they are just the reg injectors, just get a reg tip (dont mean this to be a who's better than whos post either, just wanted to correct that) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted March 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 never once meant it to be that way. like i said, if you are happy with your injector that that is all that matters. just an fyi, with bears you dont need to buy another injector to get a single colour, as they are just the reg injectors, just get a reg tip (dont mean this to be a who's better than whos post either, just wanted to correct that) Well then you are half ways there just buy one more and try it out. I for one would like to know how you do with that unit. I know most people would not buy both but in time I will this way I will know for myself if one is better than the other but i wont post my findings cause there is no good that can come of it. I own injectors from the following companies,dels,bears,bass tackle,jacobs baits and even made one myself. So I can say something not from what I heard but from what I did or experianced. I will be waiting for your findings. Try this shoot a half a dozen baits and then lay them out and see how consistant they are cause you say production but you have to be consistant first. I did this on my first try and the pics are in the gallery. Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96dak Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Well then you are half ways there just buy one more and try it out. I for one would like to know how you do with that unit. I know most people would not buy both but in time I will this way I will know for myself if one is better than the other but i wont post my findings cause there is no good that can come of it. I own injectors from the following companies,dels,bears,bass tackle,jacobs baits and even made one myself. So I can say something not from what I heard but from what I did or experianced. I will be waiting for your findings. Try this shoot a half a dozen baits and then lay them out and see how consistant they are cause you say production but you have to be consistant first. I did this on my first try and the pics are in the gallery. Frank i will absolutely doing this, and i will PM what i find, although i know several others doing this and already know what im going to find. Not knocking his work or injector, it looks like a very well built unit. And if you are happy with it and what you paid, then awesome. im sure you will shoot some good looking baits with it. lets just agree to leave it at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bear21211 Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 1st off I am not getting into who's is better and neither should you guys. Everything has it place in this industry. Just a few months back people were telling us what we were doing was all wrong.It was dangerous and to costly. Now look at what you have available to you. Tools that work for everyone. Tools that improve the appearance and quality of our baits. Tools that increase our productivity ,and make this enjoyable and productive . We tried hooking the injectors together but, they did not fit our process. We found through our trial and error that we could keep the injectors separated so they would be easier and less time consuming to use and still get good results in doing so. I know for a fact that when the injectors are linked together as Kevin has these they will do a better job. The reason for this is is takes some of the user input out and makes the process of getting the laminate more consistent. This comes at a price, the price being the time it takes to take everything apart and put it back together again. Our design is much quicker but requires more user input to get the best results. Our 1st Injectors had screw in nozzles and everybody hated them. When using salt they would lock up, they were time consuming and cumbersome to unscrew when they are hot. The push in nozzles are fast and still very safe when used with common sense. To keep from pushing the nozzle back into your plastic why not do as they were designed to have done with them and hold the nozzle with your gloved hand and then purge back into heat source. That eliminates having to fish your nozzles out of hot plastic.. Our products we try to make fast and efficient but yes they do require a little more user input but if you are willing to put the effort into learning how to use them they are way more productive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96dak Posted March 14, 2010 Report Share Posted March 14, 2010 Thanks for the input Bear. Sorry this all started like this, was not my intentions what so ever. as said, there is a product for everyone, if you are happy with your purchase then thats all that matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Posted March 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 I am not sure why this became a production post. My original intension was just to make a post on a laminate bait. Now that we are here and the subject swayed this way,I have to say that originaly when the post from bears injector was posted I thought it was the old one. Last night I watched it and was impressed with the speed that it can be done. Well done and very efficient .I especially liked the molds all layed out tike that. And as for speed if you only have molds from bears it is very fast to demold. So wing nuts are not good for production. Most of my molds have some kind of nut on them and if i was into production i guess it would not be very fast. A good lesson learned by reading every post and trying to understand the view of all. Last night I took off two of the three wing nuts on the adapter and boy it was faster. But I dont have a row of six molds three deep to shoot so all it did was give me more time to watch plastic cool down before I could demold. One thing I did learn from the other video is to keep everything hot real HOT if you dont want it to clog. But for me and what i do the speed is just not what I am after. I am sure if speed is what you are after then this unit may be a bit to much. And the tip modification was all mine cause the tips did fall into the cups more than i wanted so that is on me but dont see alot of production loss from something that simple and easy to use. Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
