bug11 Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Here's my problem. I've been pouring jig's using a Matzuo 9014 Sickle in a Do It mold SRH-6-18 which is a Shake-it mold and the back side of the jig is not covering. I thought by turning the heat up on my melting pot would cover better.That helped alittle bit. I know what your thinking, that hook is not recommended for this mold. If the Gamakatsu 604 wasn't so expensive I would use that. Right now I'm thinking about changing hook"s. I'm looking at Mustad32746BLN but I would like a second opinion. So please tell me what you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Bug, I have that mold and the Matzuo's 9014 and the 32746 hooks. I don't have that problem. What cavity are you referring to and what size hooks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBK Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Try fluxing you lead some more, pouring at a hotter temp, and try heating the hooks first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bug11 Posted March 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Bug, I have that mold and the Matzuo's 9014 and the 32746 hooks. I don't have that problem. What cavity are you referring to and what size hooks? 1/8 oz with a 2/0 hook. I've notice that some hook's (not all) are nearly touching the back of the cavity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bug11 Posted March 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Try fluxing you lead some more, pouring at a hotter temp, and try heating the hooks first. I've been fluxing and its hard to heat the hook's when I have to pour outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bug11 Posted March 17, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Am I better off switching to the 32746?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Both of those hooks you are using are 90 degree hooks. The mold is made for a 60 degree hook. So what's happening if I understand correctly is where the hook eye bends 90 degrees into the hook, the hook eye bend is touching the front of the cavity and not giving you complete pours correct? I'm at work so I don't have the mold in front of me. If that's correct bend the hook eye by the bend outward to achieve 60 degrees which will pull the hook shaft and the hook eye bend down into the cavity, thus pulling it away from the cavity wall. Now remember Matsuo hooks are not as forgiving as the 32746 hooks so you may break them when you bend them, that is the down side to it. If I didn't answer your question, PM me and send me a pic of what is going on, I will help you solve your dilemma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crappiekingdom Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Here's my problem. I've been pouring jig's using a Matzuo 9014 Sickle in a Do It mold SRH-6-18 which is a Shake-it mold and the back side of the jig is not covering. I thought by turning the heat up on my melting pot would cover better.That helped alittle bit. I know what your thinking, that hook is not recommended for this mold. If the Gamakatsu 604 wasn't so expensive I would use that. Right now I'm thinking about changing hook"s. I'm looking at Mustad32746BLN but I would like a second opinion. So please tell me what you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crappiekingdom Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 did you try putting a candle under the mold first to put that black silky coat on the mold before using.. also heating up the mold first.. the candle trick reall solved all my problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogajiga Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I've got that mold, and neither the Sickle 2/0 or 32746 2/0 fits properly. The legs, which is the portion of the jig hook between the eye and the shank, are too long which causes the shank to sit too close to the collar cavity wall. Ideally, the shank should position straight thru the middle of the collar cavity for proper fill out, which the Gamakatsu 604 accomplishes with a shorter leg than standard 90* Aberdeen round bends. Do-it recommends the Mustad 32798 BLN (stamped on mold face) as an alternative to the Gami 604. http://www.barlowstackle.com/acb/showdetl.cfm?&DID=6&Product_ID=2110&CATID=57 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogajiga Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 (edited) Like "cadman" suggests, a bend alteration to your 2/0 Sickles can fit the hooks better in your mold. Altho attempting to rebend the hard 90* angle snapped my Sickles, the pic shows a shank bend that will work. The upper hook shows a 32746 stock fit. As you can see tho an undersize 2/0 light wire hook is still a sloppy fit in the hook shank and eye portions of the mold cavity which may result in shifting of the hook position during a pour. Edited March 18, 2010 by hawnjigs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bug11 Posted March 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Thanks' everybody for your help. I'll try to answer some of your questions. I did smoke the mold before I started pouring.I do flux the lead and skim the top often. I preheat the mold before pouring. I have to work outside so keeping the hooks warm is a challenge for now. Warmer weather is setting in. The hook recommendation stamp on the mold are every pricey. Of course using Gamakatsu 604 or Mustad 32798 BLN Would fix my problem. Maybe the next best thing would be finding a hook like the 604 but at a lower cost. Any suggestions?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bug11 Posted March 18, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 I forgot to add, bending the hook would fix the problem but the Matzuo hooks do break. That makes wounder if I should use them at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifish2 Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Hey bug11! I solved that problem on all my molds by modifying the molds. I used a dremel tool to cut the cavity for the hook eye larger to allow the hook to lay straight in the mold. Its very easy to do & only takes a few minutes to cut both sides of each cavity. This allows the hook to lay properly in the mold. Just be careful to not cut into the jig cavity. Use the small bit that resembles an end mill to remove material from the top of the hook eye cavity. Remove just enough to allow the hook to lay straight & repeat on other side of mold. Hope this helps! Good luck & good fishing! Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBK Posted March 18, 2010 Report Share Posted March 18, 2010 Thanks' everybody for your help. I'll try to answer some of your questions. I did smoke the mold before I started pouring.I do flux the lead and skim the top often. I preheat the mold before pouring. I have to work outside so keeping the hooks warm is a challenge for now. Warmer weather is setting in. The hook recommendation stamp on the mold are every pricey. Of course using Gamakatsu 604 or Mustad 32798 BLN Would fix my problem. Maybe the next best thing would be finding a hook like the 604 but at a lower cost. Any suggestions?? The 32798 BLN are only around $12 per 100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogajiga Posted March 19, 2010 Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 The Eagle Claw 630-635 1/0 O'Shaughnessy will fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bug11 Posted March 19, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2010 The Eagle Claw 630-635 1/0 O'Shaughnessy will fit. I was wondering if the 630 or 635 would fit. Wish they made that in black nickel. Most tackle store don't like a bronze hook. I just modified the mold. I hope I didn't made it worse. Also, I'm going to take cadman advise. I going to start using Mustad 32746. The matzuo hooks break to easy. I'm not saying the Matzuo are bad but I hate to think someone losing a fish because the hook breaks. I've poured alot jigs with Matzuo and only had one break in the vise. These hooks are sharp and they look good on a jig. Thanks everybody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
