Hoghunter Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 I am having a hard time painting scales or should i say getting the netting on the lure.. My problem is that when i wrap the lure with the netting. It always screws up my basecoat near the bottom hook ring of my cranks. I am using createx opague white for a base. And hitting it with a hair dryer to heat set it. but as soon as i wrap it it chips or gouches the paint. Anyway someone could wrap a lure and snap a pic and show me how they do it for reference. would be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 (edited) Sounds like your paint may not be fully cured and still a little soft. Or your getting really aggressive when trying to attach the netting. Something that works really well for me is to clamp the netting with two popsicle sticks or tongue depressors. I drape my netting over the back of the bait and let it hang down on the sides. I then place a tongue depressor on each side of the netting as close to the bottom of the bait as possible. Don't worry if the netting isn't tight at this point because you can adjust it after clamping the two sticks together with clothes pins or whatever clamp you have. After attaching the two clamps at the ends of the sticks you can then adjust the netting. One or the other of the clamps can be released to adjust the netting. Just tug on it until you get it like you want it and put the clamp back. With a clamp on each end of the sticks I then put a pair of hemostats in the middle to hold it by while painting. I try to center the hook hangers between the two sticks. This centers it and gives it a little something extra to hold the bait so it's not flopping around while your painting. If this isn't explanation enough let me know and I'll take a picture and post it. RG Edited March 31, 2010 by RayburnGuy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnie3035 Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 What Rayburn said and if your netting material is too stiff you might need to wash it by hand with soap and water to soften it a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghunter Posted March 31, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 i will give this a whirl..ty both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Moreau Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 i will give this a whirl..ty both. I took 2 cheap plastic picture frames from Wallyworld put a hinge on em and attached the netting. put your bait in and clamp shut and your done! I can post pics later if anyone wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.dsaavedra. Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 something i found that has the same exact same effect as the popsicle stick method but is A LOT quicker and easier is to clamp the netting down with a chip clip underneath the bait. once you have it clamped you can pull the netting tight and stretch it however you want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickLures Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Watch This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoghunter Posted April 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 All good ideas. thanks again. I tried the popsicles this evening and it turned out great thanks for the advise.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIGnJ()N Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 With using the Chip Clip and popcicle idea, does anyone have problems with the netting wrinkling up when ya try to form it to the baits? Maybe Ive missed a step somewheres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownPigs Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 With using the Chip Clip and popcicle idea, does anyone have problems with the netting wrinkling up when ya try to form it to the baits? Maybe Ive missed a step somewheres. I use mini clamps like the ones used in this thread http://www.tackleunderground.com/community/topic/18894-how-to-make-3d-scale-plugs/page__hl__3d%20scales__fromsearch__1 They have worked well for me to keep the netting from wrinkling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrykerLures Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 I use Alligator Clips, I Pull the netting tight on 1 end, Clip it, Then move to the next, Clip it. ect- I take 4 or 5 (how ever many I need to space them 3/4" apart). Then I fix any loose netting. But Alligator clips seem to work well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 With using the Chip Clip and popcicle idea, does anyone have problems with the netting wrinkling up when ya try to form it to the baits? Maybe Ive missed a step somewheres. How well the netting conforms to the bait can be directly related to how stiff the netting is. Especially if your trying to wrap it around a bait with multiple contours. A flat sided bait is much easier to wrap netting around than a bait with round sides. A soft, pliable netting is much more forgiving. Nylon netting seems to be rather stiff where something like a cotton netting is much more pliable. I found a soft netting that works well for me on the back of a dish washing sponge from the Dollar Store. I've read posts about some guys using their wives fish net stockings. (be sure to remove the wife before painting scales) Another source of netting that some guys use is the netting that garlic or vegetables are wrapped in at the grocery store. Just keep your eye out for something that is suitable. RG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JIGnJ()N Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 That is some very good tips! HogHunter, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to hijack your post. Thanks Guys for all the advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohica Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 That is some very good tips! HogHunter, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to hijack your post. Thanks Guys for all the advice. Relative to the UTube video, what product is he using for the top coat (dipping)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Will the Popsicle stick method allow you to enclose the entire bait with the scale material? I've seen some baits with scales painted on them where the scales run from the top all the way down the side and under the belly. With no break in the pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Will the Popsicle stick method allow you to enclose the entire bait with the scale material? I've seen some baits with scales painted on them where the scales run from the top all the way down the side and under the belly. With no break in the pattern. Being as the sticks are thin and the clamps are placed on the end of the sticks, and not under the bait, it will allow you to paint scales in an unbroken pattern on everything except the very bottom. I always tend to paint the belly and the back of the bait in a solid color so this is not a problem for me. RG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 When I was doing hardbaits I designed a type of "book" that I could do the scales on 2 baits at once. It was the fastest thing I've seen yet to do the scales on baits. If I remember correctly it was something like 30 seconds to do 2 baits. I tried the little clamps and the stick thing; they all drove me crazy. Sometimes the netting would move or a clamp would pull the cloth out of postion and the bait became a second just like that. Once I put together the"book" that was the end of the problems because once you put the baits in and close the "book", the baits don't move. I posted it on here quite a while ago but maybe it got lost during all the changes to TU over the past 2 years. If you guys want I'll post it again and share the trick. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanCampbell Posted April 3, 2010 Report Share Posted April 3, 2010 Hi Nova, Please post the book method, sounds cool. Dan When I was doing hardbaits I designed a type of "book" that I could do the scales on 2 baits at once. It was the fastest thing I've seen yet to do the scales on baits. If I remember correctly it was something like 30 seconds to do 2 baits. I tried the little clamps and the stick thing; they all drove me crazy. Sometimes the netting would move or a clamp would pull the cloth out of postion and the bait became a second just like that. Once I put together the"book" that was the end of the problems because once you put the baits in and close the "book", the baits don't move. I posted it on here quite a while ago but maybe it got lost during all the changes to TU over the past 2 years. If you guys want I'll post it again and share the trick. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 All you have to do is adjust the measurements of the "book" to suit the size of baits you're working on. Give it a try and let me know how it works for you. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustyman Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 All you have to do is adjust the measurements of the "book" to suit the size of baits you're working on. Give it a try and let me know how it works for you. www.novalures.com Thanks for the post nova, I think I will do the cheap wal mart frame and just piano hinge and separate the halves. Great illustration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 Thanks for the post nova, I think I will do the cheap wal mart frame and just piano hinge and separate the halves. Great illustration. Don't use a frame that is too thin as it will twist; that happened to me with the first one I made. If you think about it, you will be opening and closing it many many times. I just used scrap pine to make mine; little or no cost. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrykerLures Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 That's a Great idea Nova. I've just started testing using a Netting bag that you buy onions in it works pretty well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammy01007 Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 I wonder if using the hoops used for cross stich would work by using 2 peices of mesh with the lure in between. Then using the hoops to secure it all. Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted August 18, 2010 Report Share Posted August 18, 2010 I wonder if using the hoops used for cross stich would work by using 2 peices of mesh with the lure in between. Then using the hoops to secure it all. Any thoughts? There are many ways of painting scales on baits and using embroudery hoops is one of them. It has been discussed in quite a few posts. Click the link below to check out some of the many ways the folks here at http://www.tackleunderground.com/community/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=search&fromMainBar=1 RG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobv Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 There are many ways of painting scales on baits and using embroudery hoops is one of them. It has been discussed in quite a few posts. Click the link below to check out some of the many ways the folks here at http://www.tackleunderground.com/community/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=search&fromMainBar=1 RG If you are using a cloth mesh, wash it several times and dry with softener. Make a world of difference in ease of use and damage to your base coat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
