psilvers Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 I want to pour and paint some horsehead (Road Runner) jigs. I have a powder bed and a heat gun. I am also fairly familiar with powder painting. How do I do it without messing up the swivel? Thanks, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted May 11, 2010 Report Share Posted May 11, 2010 I want to pour and paint some horsehead (Road Runner) jigs. I have a powder bed and a heat gun. I am also fairly familiar with powder painting. How do I do it without messing up the swivel? Thanks, Pete Cover the entire swivel including the top of the barrel with aluminum foil. This is a slow process, but the swivels actually swivel without any paint build-up on them once the jigs are complete. Make sure you take the aluminum foil off the swivel before you bake the jig, otherwise you will have hell to pay to get it off later. Maybe others have a better idea, so let's hear'm guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDSBYDAY Posted May 12, 2010 Report Share Posted May 12, 2010 These are tough. I agree with cadman on the tinfoil if you are going to dip them in powder. Painting by hand with vinyl paints is easier. What I have found after many failures is electrostatic will paint the swivel but it still spins. If you are going to dip cover the swivel in tinfoil. I have access to small little silicone tip covers. They fit over the swivel and withstand head up to a point. They don't fit tight enough by themselves without the tf. The two of them together give you a paint free swivel most of the time. If I am doing a bunch I would go electrostatic every time. It's a pain but so is painting these lures. I also would always hang them from the swivel when curing. I am really getting to dislike doing these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psilvers Posted May 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2010 Thanks for the replies. I posted the same question on crappie.com and got similar replies. Tin foil seems to be the way to go -unless I go with an electrostatic gun. Thanks, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROWINGADUBAY Posted May 12, 2010 Report Share Posted May 12, 2010 I have had some luck painting these by tapping a paint brush over the top of the jig head and trying to avoid the swivel. I would give this a try before buying a new paint setup it is easy and cheap if you arfe just making a hundred or so for yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psilvers Posted May 12, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 12, 2010 This was posted on crappie.com in response to the same question. "Slabo" was the poster. Pete Perfect clean crane swivels and hook eyes NO FOIL, NO TAPE, NO SHRINKTUBING !!!! The secret tool is " H2O " Yes WATER !!!! After you heat the jig just dip the eye and the swivel in cool H2O and then shake and dip in the powder paint. It works because you are cooling off the metal and the powder paint will not stick to a cold surface. Try it and spend your time fishing instead of wrapping tiny pieces of foil around swivels. IT WORKS !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdsaw Posted May 12, 2010 Report Share Posted May 12, 2010 I've had good results using blue painters tape. The adhesive doesn't seem to get gooey like regular masking tape. I've found the foil difficult to wrap around the swivels so I use the tape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted May 13, 2010 Report Share Posted May 13, 2010 Psilver I understand what you're doing cooling the eye and swivel but how much of your powder gets clumped up/un-usable from water drips???? The heated heads don't stay that hot for too long even using a heat gun. Fatman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted May 13, 2010 Report Share Posted May 13, 2010 Psilver I understand what you're doing cooling the eye and swivel but how much of your powder gets clumped up/un-usable from water drips???? The heated heads don't stay that hot for too long even using a heat gun. Fatman I totally agree with you Fatman. My first concern would be some water getting in the powder paint. Once that happens, well, it's junk . People have issues with humidity in powder , and now you want to use water as a coolant before you paint. I don't know. I think I'm going to do some testing. I have hundreds of pounds of powder, so I can afford to throw some away, but when you get a guy that pays $6 for 2 ounces and water gets in the powder well, I guess I would be pretty upset if I had to throw 1/2 or 3/4 of a jar of powder away. I'll let you guys know when I get a chance to do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubetragger Posted May 13, 2010 Report Share Posted May 13, 2010 I did the "tin foil " method today using my heat gun on some modified road runner /snootie jigs. and I am quite happy with the results. It is a little time consuming using the tin foil but I only did a dozen so it's no big deal............jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDSBYDAY Posted May 13, 2010 Report Share Posted May 13, 2010 I totally agree with you Fatman. My first concern would be some water getting in the powder paint. Once that happens, well, it's junk . People have issues with humidity in powder , and now you want to use water as a coolant before you paint. I don't know. I think I'm going to do some testing. I have hundreds of pounds of powder, so I can afford to throw some away, but when you get a guy that pays $6 for 2 ounces and water gets in the powder well, I guess I would be pretty upset if I had to throw 1/2 or 3/4 of a jar of powder away. I'll let you guys know when I get a chance to do this. My guess is not only will the powder get ruined but you will see a ring of uncovered jig head around the swivel. Quentching the swivel will cool the head too. I hope it works but I just can't see it being predictable. Just grabbing my jig off the griddle with a hemostat cools the hook. That is why I make the passes through the heat gun focusing the heat on the jig where it meet the hook. Just after I posted how much I am starting to dislike these things I received a request for 100. UNPAINTED yea!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted May 13, 2010 Report Share Posted May 13, 2010 My guess is not only will the powder get ruined but you will see a ring of uncovered jig head around the swivel. Quentching the swivel will cool the head too. I hope it works but I just can't see it being predictable. Just grabbing my jig off the griddle with a hemostat cools the hook. That is why I make the passes through the heat gun focusing the heat on the jig where it meet the hook. Just after I posted how much I am starting to dislike these things I received a request for 100. UNPAINTED yea!!! I will agree with you and I don't have a lot of hope and optimism. I will do my testing and see what happens. I do not want to form an opinion before I try it myself. The reason being is that someone may have a brainstorm and it may work really well and we may all miss the boat. I'll quote a friend "A closed mind will never know what could or would be". With that said I will post my unbiased results at a later date. Also when I post results I try to look at the whole picture with everyone involved, this way everyone could benefit from it if it works........................These are not my favorite jigs to paint at all, I'm glad I don't do thousands. It would be too much like work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psilvers Posted May 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 I haven't tried this technique myself. I posted an inquiry ( the same message that I posted here) on www.crappie.com and someone replied with that answer. Will it work? I don't really know from first hand experience, but I think it has a good shot. If the swivel is hot enough, then the water should cool it down AND evaporate. If it doesn't all evaporate, that might be a problem. My guess is that it may work - especially since someone else has gotten it to work -it is probably a matter of : 1) getting the jig and swivel to the right temp, and 2) holding the jig the correct way with a hemostat. Just my $0.02. And it ain't even worth that much! I have poured and painted lots of jigs, but never a horse head jig. That is why I was asking folks for help! Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted May 14, 2010 Report Share Posted May 14, 2010 I haven't tried this technique myself. I posted an inquiry ( the same message that I posted here) on www.crappie.com and someone replied with that answer. Will it work? I don't really know from first hand experience, but I think it has a good shot. If the swivel is hot enough, then the water should cool it down AND evaporate. If it doesn't all evaporate, that might be a problem. My guess is that it may work - especially since someone else has gotten it to work -it is probably a matter of : 1) getting the jig and swivel to the right temp, and 2) holding the jig the correct way with a hemostat. Just my $0.02. And it ain't even worth that much! I have poured and painted lots of jigs, but never a horse head jig. That is why I was asking folks for help! Pete All I can say is that it is definitely worth trying some sample pieces. I am painting this weekend I'll see if I get some time to screw around with this. Pete, it comes down to this we will never know success if we don't have failure. People come up with cures all the time, and it's not because they gave up. If this works it will save a lot of wasted time wrapping with tin foil or tape. I will post my results Sunday or Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psilvers Posted May 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2010 I posted the same question on www.crappie.com - that is where the water dipping technique came from. Anyway, it seems to work. Check out the latest posts on this thread: http://www.crappie.com/crappie/jig-tying-jig-making-forum/135441-powderpainting-horsehead-road-runner-jigs.html Just thought I would pass this along. Thanks for the help. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomer Posted May 23, 2010 Report Share Posted May 23, 2010 I posted the same question on www.crappie.com - that is where the water dipping technique came from. Anyway, it seems to work. Check out the latest posts on this thread: http://www.crappie.com/crappie/jig-tying-jig-making-forum/135441-powderpainting-horsehead-road-runner-jigs.html Just thought I would pass this along. Thanks for the help. Pete I've only done the small ones, but I've always had good luck holding the swivel in a pair of needlenose pliers, dipping, and up to the base of the swivel , then breaking the swivel free before baking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
