hazmail Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Thanks 'Smallie', makes for interesting reading, and as the photos show, like us, they are all around it, but too, seem to be having problems with which cutter to use. I have been reading some patents, and there is a Russian guy with some interesting ideas on cutters etc.pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 I've looked and can't find it saw it last year but not now. were is the link on how to build a fluid bed? I need to build a bigger one for some bigger parts . Delw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 I don't recall a thread on actually how to build one. But one year ago, I had no interest in the subject and may have missed it. If someone could post a link, I too would be very interested. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delw Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 I believe it was before the server crash, it was pretty detailed and had pics, may have been 2+ years ago? I can vaugley remember the post and it was by someone who used to post alot and hasnt been around in a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo D Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 I believe it was before the server crash, it was pretty detailed and had pics, may have been 2+ years ago?I can vaugley remember the post and it was by someone who used to post alot and hasnt been around in a while. Delw, you get my email? Romeo D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goughy Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 (edited) Could anyone tell us if Redg8r and Vodkaman have finnished their duplicator machines? Thanks Chris. Edited May 10, 2009 by goughy didn't finnish it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted May 10, 2009 Report Share Posted May 10, 2009 Sorry Goughy, I keep getting side tracked onto other projects. Also, had one or three problems, but I will get back to the dup project soon. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOONSDAD Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 what kind of finish does this give? would the finish be smoother using a router with say.. 3/8" dia bit or smaller being perpindicular to the the wood? I just started throwing it on solidworks.... but the "honey do list" is growing with the nice weather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Of the duplicator machines published so far, are Redg8r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOONSDAD Posted May 11, 2009 Report Share Posted May 11, 2009 Vodkaman, My saliva glands go nuts with the thoughts of a bloody mary from some neat bar up near Spart Wisconsin. ........ sorry lost my train of thought. I agree that the intial cut with the side cutting would have to be thought out well. I was thinking that if you had the "pattern" have a slope on the "feed in" to the body so that it was a gradual cut versus just dropping it into the body and having your wood "shoot your eye out" when it popped out. Obviously that is time wasted ... time is money.. money is competition. Gotta go dinner bell just rang:twocents: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 The time saving is nice, but it is more about repeatability and consistency between each lure body. Once you can produce identical bodies, the only variable will be wood density variations and that is manageable. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goughy Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Vodkaman have you looked at the arbortech blades, theylist that their blades fit 100mm and 115mm (4 and 4 1/2 inc) angle grinders. They might tell you what speed they are rated for also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 A ferrocious animal, a chainsaw on a wheel. My brother used them on his chainsaw carvings to do the smaller detail. I don't think the finish would be good enough, but I will try one, if I do go the angle grinder route. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROWINGADUBAY Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Awe inspiring machine!!!!!! I pretty much get the way the duplicater works but a couple of questions I was wondering how you get the tracer and saw blade to travel up and down? (probably a threaded rod of some sort) then it looked like you release it to travel back up in its final resting place before you took the blank out. How did you manage to release it from the threads(or whatever it was that you used to get it to move in the z axis) to slide it up and down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Mine is designed to cut in both directions. When the carrier reaches the end stop, a microswitch automatically cuts the feed to the cutter and stops the travel motor and reverses it, ready for the next pass. On the reverse pass, the stock direction is reversed also, so the cutter is still correctly cutting (climb milling). As for the other part of the question, there are many ways to transfer the stylus movement to the cutter, but that is up to you. That is the design part, the invention part. Redg8r shows his method, so that is a starting point to get the brain working. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROWINGADUBAY Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 I did some looking late last night at the terrco duplicaters they look like they would work for making lures. It looks like the vertical router type except it has two turn tables that rotate together so you can get a full 360 cut .Alot of gun guys use them for custom replacement stocks. I would put the link here but I'm not sure how, sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 Yes, that would work, but rather labor intensive, here is a link to the very poor video: F-200 Video My aim is to insert the stock, start the machine off and return when finished. Maybe even operating three machines, so when the third machine is started, the first has finished. One can dream! Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROWINGADUBAY Posted May 12, 2009 Report Share Posted May 12, 2009 A-ha I see full blown production!!! I think alot of us would be happy just being able to turn out a duplicate blank and are'nt worried about speed although even hand loading blanks would speed it up alot do you think it would work with a wood lathe on very low rpm with tracer wheel connected to hinge thats connected to a ginder with a saw blade. so you would put in a 20" piece of wood connected to short piece of square tubing then your original in the end so as your lathe turns very slowly you can guide the grinder and tracer by hand then maybe after you first lure you slide the grinder down a ways lock it make another repeat until you have a spindle with 3-5 lure blanks on it think it would work??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 PS, it could work, but their are a few considerations. First the lathe stock must turn at the same speed as the master. As you feed the cutter into the stock, the tracer stylus is going to move in and out at the speed of the lathe. I don't know what the slowest speed of the lathe is, but 2 revs per sec or 120 revs per minute seems to be the maximum for this type of duplicator. I determined this by viewing all the other duplicators out there. Second. As each copy is made, at each end, the stock is reduced to a small diameter, I am planning on 6mm dia, this might have to be increased, but we will see. So, if your stock is 20" long, it would be like turning a 1/4" dia dowel, 20" long. It would flex under the load. It would be better if you could feed the stock through the chuck and keep the grinder near the chuck, but not sure if you can do that sort of thing. A-ha I see full blown production!!! Yes, it has been considered as a next stage. It would be really nice to sell a couple hundred lures per month, this would mean that I don't need to go back to my office job. But if a major player comes to me and requests 10,000 pieces per month, I have a plan to accomodate. Now wouldn't that be nice. Most unlikely, but you never know.Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROWINGADUBAY Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Yes your right the original would be made out of two inch stock with the square pieces left in place the with a piece of square tubing you connect the blank stock so you would have from the motor 2" square stock a piece of 2" I.D. square tubing then your original all rotating on the same chucks. I am a millwriight by trade and have worked on cnc machines that have the auto feed through the chuck and they can be very complicated to set up and repair although once you get them running they are reliable one thing we had problems with was the ends of bar stock jamming these machines because they were to short for the chuck to grab just something to plan for Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fernet Posted May 13, 2009 Report Share Posted May 13, 2009 Of the duplicator machines published so far, are Redg8r’s saw cutter and the router bit. The router bit can be divided into two classes, end on and side cutting. The saw cutter has been proven by Red (nice one), also the router side cut has also been proven, but I cannot find the link, probably in the wrong forum, please post if you can find the link, it more than deserves to be included in this thread. Is it this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 Same principle as that one. Undecimalis post No12: http://www.tackleunderground.com/forum/homebrew-tools/15114-lure-make-machine-mdi_bizum-lures-2.html Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazmail Posted May 14, 2009 Report Share Posted May 14, 2009 In both videos it looks like they are using a pretty standard 'box' router bit---Interesting!!!!!!!! Never worked as good as that for me. Sorry about the pic quality.Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trex_48001 Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Please wait Image not available 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHawes Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 I amy have over look. Is there any plans I can download?/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
