RayburnGuy Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Full strength I rotate in my hand a little then hang to drip dry. I got bubbles like crazy once putting them on the lure dryer. once in a while I got bubbles around the eyes. It was very humid and was using water base paint so I tossed it up to that. How are you storing the KBS? Have you had any storage issues with it yet? thanks, Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M@TT Posted October 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 I haven't opened it for about a month so it's to early for me to say it has been fine every time so far lasting nearly 3 months to date. I give my word as I learn with this stuff so will all of you a TU. I owe all of you for helping me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bass-ackwards Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 ......I wonder how it would work as a clear coat on the top cap of my bass boat???..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salty's Posted October 26, 2010 Report Share Posted October 26, 2010 I brushed two display lures last week, came out ok, got two runs on each one that I didn't see. Rest of it turned out pretty good. The can has been opened 4 or 5 times now and always sealed with stretch wrap plastic. I picked the can up today and it's still sloshy liquid inside. If your going to use it occasionally you will need another few cans. I'm going to have a hard time opening this next time and I cleaned it up pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lure--Prof Posted October 31, 2010 Report Share Posted October 31, 2010 From what I've read thus far, KBS appears to have about all of the characteristics of the old DN formulation, which seem to be common to all one-part moisture-cure urethanes. RTU Createx Airbrush Colors must be thoroughly heat-cured before applying. I always brushed DN because it was fast, and I could control the amount of product on the lure, as opposed to dipping. Too heavy a coat, and you're apt to get bubble problems unless the product is kept nice and fresh and you allow excess to drip off. That is why dipping and then turning causes bubble problems with KBS: excess product is not allowed to drip off and the surface dries first. Keep the coating thin, and this won't happen; you'll be able to turn the lures then. All of this really has been addressed in DN discussions. David Sullivan recently finished an entire pint of old-formula DN, using the tap-the-can-with-a-sheet-metal-screw method. Afterwards he opened the can and found, somewhat to his amazement...NOTHING. No deposits of cured DN whatsoever, nothing but an empty, shiny can. I'm currently testing the new DN formulation which is not a moisture cure urethane, but an air-dried topcoat that can easily be applied by brush or dipping, thinned with water for spraying, and has no offensive odor. I've been fishing lures topcoated with this stuff, and though these baits haven't had time to fully cure, I am amazed at the hardness, clarity, ease of storage and application, and the durability they've shown thus far. From what I'm seeing, the new DN is the future of topcoats. I've encountered no negatives YET, nor have I spoken with anyone else, including Dick concerning any other testing results, so I'm adding the cautionary note here, while further testing is being carried out. So far though, I'm very impressed! Sorry for going slightly off-topic here. Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 Dean, I too am testing DN new topcoat. I have the same results as you. This stuff is way beyond good. I sprayed mine. It dried hard, clear, and fairly fast. No reaction to my paints (lacquer). I did a scratch test from day 1 to day 7. I couldn't tell any difference after day 3. I fished it hard, threw and retrieved it up my gravel driveway, and scraped it with hooks and knives. The stuff is very very tough!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lure--Prof Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 Dean, I too am testing DN new topcoat. I have the same results as you. This stuff is way beyond good. I sprayed mine. It dried hard, clear, and fairly fast. No reaction to my paints (lacquer). I did a scratch test from day 1 to day 7. I couldn't tell any difference after day 3. I fished it hard, threw and retrieved it up my gravel driveway, and scraped it with hooks and knives. The stuff is very very tough!!! Tim, The toughness is what is impressing me, as ease of use means little to me without that! And it is by far the most user-friendly stuff I've ever seen. It dries very very hard, but I've see no tendency for it to scratch or crack. Dick may have broken the code with this formulation! I wouldn't think it would require very much dilution for spraying; about what ratio did you use? Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 Tim, The toughness is what is impressing me, as ease of use means little to me without that! And it is by far the most user-friendly stuff I've ever seen. It dries very very hard, but I've see no tendency for it to scratch or crack. Dick may have broken the code with this formulation! I wouldn't think it would require very much dilution for spraying; about what ratio did you use? Dean I didn't dilute it at all. I shot it at 35Lbs with a 5mm tip. It flowed out flat. I put on a pretty heavy coat. One coat was all I used for testing. Two coats would be more than enough for any application. I can't wait to get more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishwhittler Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 This new topcoat sounds like it could be the next big thing for custom lure makers. Does anyone know how soon it will be available? Also, is it low, medium or high build? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobv Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 I am also testing. I dipped a couple of small crankbaits. It took 3 dips to get the build I wanted but they look great. It did interact with my detail pen ink and caused it to run, but it looks kinda cool. Next batch I will spray with Createx clear first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted November 1, 2010 Report Share Posted November 1, 2010 What is the dry and recoat time with the new DN? Can it be dipped? When can the rest of us take it out for a test drive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobv Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 What is the dry and recoat time with the new DN? Can it be dipped? When can the rest of us take it out for a test drive? Dry time @70 degrees and 50% hum.- dry to touch 1hr, set to touch 2.5hr, thoroughly dry in 4.5hr. Final cure in 12 - 15 days I dipped a couple of small cranks and it works great. Very thin coats so it took 3 to get what I wanted. Recommended re-coating in 5hrs. Can be re-coated sooner but final durability will take longer. Clean up with soap and water. Information above came from instructions shipped with sample. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Moreau Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 My last jar of DN is starting to GEL hope this is availible to us soon! Would rather give Dick my money that buy some KBS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePaintsBaits Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 To the guys Testing (DN) Thanks for all the updates , I'm out of my (DN) , Can't wait to get the new stuff. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcheetam Posted November 3, 2010 Report Share Posted November 3, 2010 I have to second what everyone is saying about the new DNs. I was a little surprised when I looked at my sample because it isn't very clear (In fact, it's pretty cloudy). That being said, it dries very clear and so far (to me) seems pretty durable. For me, it was dry to touch in under an hour, but that is with very thin coats. There are some fumes, but no where near Dick's original formula. All that being said, I would like to wait a couple weeks and give it some time to cure before I really put it to the test. As of right now, two thumbs up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.dsaavedra. Posted November 4, 2010 Report Share Posted November 4, 2010 hate to continue this thread down the wrong path but, when is the new DN going to be available? sorry, i haven't been on the forums in a while. the clear coat currently on the DN site isn't the new formula? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keys Bill Posted June 27, 2021 Report Share Posted June 27, 2021 Applied KBS Clear Diamond Finish to new head light housings 3 years ago. They have turned yellow. Applied KBS clear to chromed plastic center caps for expensive custom wheels 3 years ago. Now they are history. In both cases KBS Diamond clear turned to yellow. Expensive paint, terrible performance. Clearly the paint will degrade when exposed to the sun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bdnoble84 Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 Revivingn old thread based on a question i have. I dipped some painted jigs in KBS DIAMOND 5-6 days ago. They have been hanging in my basement which generally stays around 70 degrees. At this point they do not seem dry. They feel like they have a slimy finish. Is this normal. Do i need to do something different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravenlures Posted July 19, 2021 Report Share Posted July 19, 2021 Well when I use up my KBS I will get a small amount of DN's or what ever and give it a try, by the time I use this up (KBS) there will be enough answers answered! Wayne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoke Posted January 18, 2022 Report Share Posted January 18, 2022 I have used it for a couple of years now and I love it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
