leeshelton Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 (edited) Which would be the better choice? Looking at a 6'6" MH in both. Just wondering which one is lighter and more sensitive Edited August 22, 2010 by leeshelton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthworm77 Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 Which would be the better choice? Looking at a 6'6" MH in both. Just wondering which one is lighter and more sensitive Not a big fan of either company but I would go with Loomis over SC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwags Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 (edited) Which would be the better choice? Looking at a 6'6" MH in both. Just wondering which one is lighter and more sensitive Which is better, Ford or Chevy? LOL My best advice is for you to get your hands on one of each and test them for yourself. I doubt that you'll be able to tell the difference. My personal preference is for St Croix. They are less expensive than the Loomis and they are made in the US- Loomis is overseas. jeremy Edited August 22, 2010 by Jwags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonah Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 Which is better, Ford or Chevy? LOL My best advice is for you to get your hands on one of each and test them for yourself. I doubt that you'll be able to tell the difference. My personal preference is for St Croix. They are less expensive than the Loomis and they are made in the US- Loomis is overseas. jeremy G Loomos is made in Woodland, Waahington. USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalljaw Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 I own several GL3 rods and I've sent back 3 St Croix rods, 2 legend elites and an Avid, Loomis is a much better rod dollar for dollar and they are also made in the U.S. while the premier and triumph series Croix are made in Mexico and China if it makes a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwags Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 I stand corrected, Loomis rods are still built in WA. When Shimano bought them there were rumors of them moving to China and I got my wires crossed. jeremy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flippinfool Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 The SJR 783 is a great rod. I own three if them. The GL3 has a touch more weight than the IMX but it has a better feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leeshelton Posted August 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Thanks for the replies. I ended up ordering the Loomis. Never used one and wanted to build one while I could still get my hands on a blank. Thanks for all the help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattman Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 This is really a Chevy vs Ford argument. Both the GL3 and Avid blanks are rolled in the US. I tend to like Loomis tapers more than St. Croix's tapers. Although St. Croix retooled their blanks for 2010 and their blanks are much more to my liking. St. Croix has also added their IPC technology to the Avid series blanks. While the GL3 has really remained unchanged for quite some time. I measure all of my incoming blanks. I mount each blank on the wall horizontally by capturing the butt section between two staggered padded pegs. They're about as far apart as the length of a typical handle. Then I hang weights from the tip of the rod blank to deflect it a percentage of its working length. With a small level and a protractor I can measure the angle that the tip is at to give me a picture of the action. Mod-Fast, Fast, or Ex-Fast aren't very descriptive. 60°, 66°, or 72° is much more descriptive. I put the weights on a scale and weigh them. Medium, or Med-Heavy aren't very descriptive. 12.455 ounces or 20.387 ounces is much more descriptive. And those numbers aren't open to interpretation. Fast, Ex-Fast, Med-Heavy, Heavy are all different with St. Croix than they are Loomis, or Rouge. Even the same manufacturer can change their definition based on the type of blank. I also put the blank on the scale and weigh it. All that information gets plugged into an Excel spread sheet and some formulas calculate other details for me. With all of that information I can get a very good picture of what a rod blank is really like. And most importantly, compare different rod blanks against each other. When a customer wants a blank that has a little softer tip...or a little more moderate action...I have a much better chance at actually finding the right blank. The GL3 and Avid put up very similar numbers so they really perform to the same level. However, with Loomis abanoning the custom rod builder, and providing a lesser warranty with remaining blanks, I have a hard time encouraging anyone to buy their remaining blanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jwags Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 This is really a Chevy vs Ford argument. Both the GL3 and Avid blanks are rolled in the US. I tend to like Loomis tapers more than St. Croix's tapers. Although St. Croix retooled their blanks for 2010 and their blanks are much more to my liking. St. Croix has also added their IPC technology to the Avid series blanks. While the GL3 has really remained unchanged for quite some time. I measure all of my incoming blanks. I mount each blank on the wall horizontally by capturing the butt section between two staggered padded pegs. They're about as far apart as the length of a typical handle. Then I hang weights from the tip of the rod blank to deflect it a percentage of its working length. With a small level and a protractor I can measure the angle that the tip is at to give me a picture of the action. Mod-Fast, Fast, or Ex-Fast aren't very descriptive. 60°, 66°, or 72° is much more descriptive. I put the weights on a scale and weigh them. Medium, or Med-Heavy aren't very descriptive. 12.455 ounces or 20.387 ounces is much more descriptive. And those numbers aren't open to interpretation. Fast, Ex-Fast, Med-Heavy, Heavy are all different with St. Croix than they are Loomis, or Rouge. Even the same manufacturer can change their definition based on the type of blank. I also put the blank on the scale and weigh it. All that information gets plugged into an Excel spread sheet and some formulas calculate other details for me. With all of that information I can get a very good picture of what a rod blank is really like. And most importantly, compare different rod blanks against each other. When a customer wants a blank that has a little softer tip...or a little more moderate action...I have a much better chance at actually finding the right blank. The GL3 and Avid put up very similar numbers so they really perform to the same level. However, with Loomis abanoning the custom rod builder, and providing a lesser warranty with remaining blanks, I have a hard time encouraging anyone to buy their remaining blanks. Are you using the CCS? jeremy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earthworm77 Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 I think the fact that shimano bought Loomis is the reason why we are seeing so many good shimano rods. I used to own 22 Helium LTA's and LTX's.....I might have 3 or 4 now but I changed over to Cumaras and Crucials.....can't beat the rods action, features and warrantee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattman Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Are you using the CCS? jeremy No. I have some issues with that system and when it was first introduced, those issues couldn't be addressed so I moved on to something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattman Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 I think the fact that shimano bought Loomis is the reason why we are seeing so many good shimano rods. It was stated at the time of purchase that Loomis design and technology was the reason for the purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
