Ric670 Posted August 22, 2010 Report Share Posted August 22, 2010 (edited) Okay....Here is the scenario....I enjoy making my spinnerbaits and vibrating jigs and have just recently delved into the realm of soft plastics. So I have bought some molds and dabbled in making some of my own based on info from you guys. Epoxy Resin, RTV, and....pop. So i made this killer creature bait out of molding clay that i heated up in the oven. I shelved it while i became more proficient with pouring plastic. So yesterday i take this this clay model and thought to my dumb self "It's time." So i decide to make the mold of this model out of POP. I mean hell m getting good at finding the right consistency amounts...etc....So i set up the whole thing and glue the model to my wife's movado watch box...w/o her knowledge (and no the watch was not in the box). But i 1st thought, and i know what you more experienced guys are thinking (dumb@$$), if i grease this thing well enough it shouldn't bond to the plaster...M stoked this thing will be killer. Cross between a toad a creature and a craw. Well i mix the POP and pour the plaster over my creme de la creme creature bait...i cant wait to throw this thing deep. I live in AZ and its just a bit warm right now, so I'm thinking one of my football heads and dragging this thing through some deep water blah blah blah.... So I have this brick of plaster that i plan on using as a topwater. 1st blow up i see m gonna chuck this thing and knock the tar out of the 1st fish i see....My wife summed it up best..............MORON. Edited August 22, 2010 by Ric670 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 You have probably already concluded that RTV would have been a better mold material (general rule, hard master - soft mold). Alternatively, soft or unbaked clay master in PoP, but you would only get one mold from the master. I would guess that just about everyone who has dabbled with molding has lost one or two prized masters to the concrete burial and I include myself in this statistic. You will never reach the top without climbing the learning curve. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric670 Posted August 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 You have probably already concluded that RTV would have been a better mold material (general rule, hard master - soft mold). Alternatively, soft or unbaked clay master in PoP, but you would only get one mold from the master. I would guess that just about everyone who has dabbled with molding has lost one or two prized masters to the concrete burial and I include myself in this statistic. You will never reach the top without climbing the learning curve. Dave Dave, I am with you...but you don't understand...that was the mold that was to take me to the bassmaster classic and the forrest wood cup (in the same year)...as a matter of fact that bait could have landed me the biggest marlin ever... I wish someone would have told me about the concrete coffin. I just thought it was pretty funny. M glad m not the only one. There is definitely no shame in my small game. I just needed to share and vent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Your experience did make me grin and wince at the same time. I felt your pain. Get back in the saddle and make another, can't wait to see the pics. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSC Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Dave U know he will not show us a pic of it .... Its is secret lure to fame We all should have one .. JSC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nova Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Making mistakes is definately better for learning than being told about it. Try putting the block in a pail of water to dissolve the POP from your master. (may take a while) Mark it down to experiance and keep going. www.novalures.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Dave U know he will not show us a pic of it .... Its is secret lure to fame We all should have one .. JSC I know, but it is fun asking. Further to Nova's idea, PoP breaks down under higher temperatures and reverts back to its original form. So heating in a hot oven for a couple of hours should allow your master to be retrieved. Over heating causes the PoP to become crumbly and it will then probably dissolve in water. Assuming that your master can take the heat. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterjay Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 "So i set up the whole thing and glue the model to my wife's movado watch box...w/o her knowledge (and no the watch was not in the box)" Ric, I don't know the first thing about soft plastics but I do know something about wives. (I've had more than my share of them) The horrifying passage I quoted above tells me that you've already taken the first step toward overpaying some sleazy lawyer in hopes of hanging on to a small fraction of what you thought was yours. Take it from one who has already traveled that cold and lonesome road: if you happen to see ANY of your wife's possessions (however trivial) that could be useful for luremaking, run out IMMEDIATELY and buy a duplicate. Don't think about it, just do it. Even if she tells you it's OK, don't pay any attention - that's just ammunition that's gonna come flying back at you at the first opportunity. It took me a couple of trips to divorce court to figure all this out, but strict adherence to the aforementioned regimen is one of the chief reasons I've managed to remain happily married for the past 22 years. I'm still not 100% sure what it is that makes women happy, but I'm one of the world's foremost authorities on what makes them unhappy. I'm just praying that this message reaches you in time. PJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 "So i set up the whole thing and glue the model to my wife's movado watch box...w/o her knowledge (and no the watch was not in the box)" Ric, I don't know the first thing about soft plastics but I do know something about wives. (I've had more than my share of them) The horrifying passage I quoted above tells me that you've already taken the first step toward overpaying some sleazy lawyer in hopes of hanging on to a small fraction of what you thought was yours. Take it from one who has already traveled that cold and lonesome road: if you happen to see ANY of your wife's possessions (however trivial) that could be useful for luremaking, run out IMMEDIATELY and buy a duplicate. Don't think about it, just do it. Even if she tells you it's OK, don't pay any attention - that's just ammunition that's gonna come flying back at you at the first opportunity. It took me a couple of trips to divorce court to figure all this out, but strict adherence to the aforementioned regimen is one of the chief reasons I've managed to remain happily married for the past 22 years. I'm still not 100% sure what it is that makes women happy, but I'm one of the world's foremost authorities on what makes them unhappy. I'm just praying that this message reaches you in time. PJ Peter, That is CLASSIC!!!! It should be posted on the top of the forum as a tutorial! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peterjay Posted August 23, 2010 Report Share Posted August 23, 2010 Thanks Mark - if I can help save one poor soul from the heart-wrenching ordeal of dividing up marital assets, then my own suffering was not in vain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric670 Posted August 24, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 I've been at it for 14 years now...and i gotta tell you boys....i dont think i do anything right. Anyway JSC...sir...once i have my SACRED bait made..notice sacred not secret...i will share with my faceless friends here on this site.. which has probably accounted for a few its members trips to the divorce lawyers office. The reason i will share this design of designs is because i do this not for fun not for profit...but my sanity. I have three medications i take...fishing, making baits, and master baiting. For I am an anomoly for i have three generations of women residing with me my wife, my daughter, and...and...............my mother in law...thus the hobbies. I thought i would share my bit of misery with you boys. See one minor setback in my world could set off a major chain of events. But thank goodness for this site. It's helped.....by the way i will share said design but you will never know what plastic colors or scents i will put in them. Thanks for the therapy session fellas...and thanks for all the help you guys provide. My rant thus be complete. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSC Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 Rick I could not resist adding that little sarcasim ... hope you get it worked out. Man that was good PJ ... no wonder I stay in the "Dog House" so much (been married to the same woman for all most 55 years ... dont know how to figure them out yet). Have a good day yall JSC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...