Powdercoat Or Paint?

[apharing]

Hey guys. I have been making lures for a while, and am just getting into making spinnerbaits and jigs. I use powder on all my jigs, but I was wondering if this is what i should use for my spinnerbaits as well. So should i powdercoat the spinnerbait or just airbrush it and clear coat it? thanks

[cadman]

I don't see any reason why not to powder coat. I powder coat all of my spinnerbaits. This way you don't have to clearcoat if you don't want to. On the other hand if you want to airbrush exotic details, then you will have to clearcoat. This is naturally your choice.

[psv]

I use powder on my spinnerbaits and after I tried to clear coat them with Devcon there was no come back. They are looking so much fancier under epoxy.

Edited October 1, 2010 by psv

[cadman]

I use powder on my spinnerbaits and after I tried to clear coat them with Devcon there was no come back. They are looking so much fancier under epoxy.

PSV,

That is amazing. That's about all I can say. Along with your photography work.

[airbrushextreme]

I dont powdercoat mine its just a personal preference I epoxy coat, paint, and epoxy coat over top of the paint I dont have any paint chip off that way I can add lots of paint detail that way

[psv]

It's a personal choice. I have absolutely no talent for airbrushing, but learned a little to work with powder. Big thanks to TU and personally to Ted (Cadman) for help and support

[BLT]

The epoxy gives a "depth" look. Very nice work.

Do you do this for personal use, or market your work?

[psv]

Bob,

Thanks for compliment.

I'm still in testing stage as of now. I've sent more then 100 samples to different people during last 2 years and received a lot of information about quality and durability. Improved couple things here and there and finally I can say: the spinnerbaits are almost ready. I'm not sure about marketing, maybe some custom work (I was asked couple times about it) down the road.

During last 2.5 years, I've been in touch with Ted (Cadman) and I can tell without his support and guidance I simply can not do it. Ted, Thank you, very much again.

Edited October 1, 2010 by psv

[smalljaw]

Very nice psv, what color is that bait? I used to use the brush method and I still use it for certain multi color jigs but for spinnerbaits I like to spray the powder, you can't get detail but you can get some nice even color blending effects.

[apharing]

Thanks for the replies, and nice bait psv! I do have a follow up question though. How do i get the eyes to stick if I dont use epoxy. The sticky side of the eye is not strong enough to hold it on. Should I just put a drop of epoxy under the eye to hold it on?

[psv]

Very nice psv, what color is that bait? I used to use the brush method and I still use it for certain multi color jigs but for spinnerbaits I like to spray the powder, you can't get detail but you can get some nice even color blending effects.

I call it Golden Walleye. I tried to imitate those Canadians walleyes, something close to this:

I used Columbia Coating powders + Golden Dust glitter from Herbie's. It's not done version yet. I want it to be more gold-ish on the future. O well, one step at a time

apharing

I actually glue the eyes with Devcon Duco® Cement, before I apply the epoxy

[cadman]

apharing

As far as gluing eyes on without doing a final topcoat of epoxy, I have not found anything that holds really well. I have tried super glue gel, super glue, gorilla glue, silicone, marine silicone and a bunch of others. With super glue you have to be careful as it has a tendency to wick up and leaves a white powder. The others just weren't up to my expectation. If I'm going to put eyes on I want them to stay on and this also goes to the jigs I sell to my customers. If I use 2d or 3d eyes I always top coat with Devcon 2 Ton epoxy. I have never had one fall off or pulled off by a fish. Also if you haven't tried a top coat, you don't know what you're missing. Epoxy makes your colors pop and gives them more depth along with more durability.

[cadman]

As far as everyone here on this forum goes. I will try to help any and all. Those that know me know that, that is a true statement. I have mentored many guys here over the years some which don't post any more. PSV among others are some of my success stories. I can't take cedit for his quality of work. That is all done by a lot of passion and perseverance. It takes at least a year or two in my opinion to get excellent quality and consistency. The rest of it is a lot of practice, trial and error and doing it over and over again until you are happy with your product. Also in order to be the best of the best it takes a lot of passion and you must push yourself to do better and better if that is your goal. There is nothing wrong with just painting jigs and leaving it at that. To me good enough is just not good enough I am a lunatic in trying to come up with different things, color combos and ideas but that is me.

I have also seen Smalljaws painting work, and again top notch quality work. Smalljaw does much of his powder painting with an airbrush. I believe he has some pics in the gallery. Here again I have tried powder painting with an airbrush, and I can't get the hang of it with the colors I want to use. We all have different skills and that's what makes it so nice to see everyone's work and talk about it on the forums.

PSV, that is a nice walleye and your color match on that spinnerbait is excellent for a walleye color pattern. How big is that walleye? Also I think you need to touch up that jig it looks a little beaten up.

Edited October 2, 2010 by cadman

[psv]

Ted,

Thanks a lot !

It took about 2 years to start to feel what is right and what is wrong. I totally agree with you about practice. As more you do as better you become.

The only issue I have: I start to fish less and spend more time making lures. It's so addictive and I become really confused sometimes: go to fishing or make another batch of lures (especially when it starts to go well)

BTW, unfortunately it's not me on that picture. )))) nice walleye color though

[DUCBOS]

The epoxy gives a "depth" look. Very nice work.

Do you do this for personal use, or market your work?

I like epoxy for many crankbaits,

Do you turn it to level it out on a wheel or just turn it a few times?

[cadman]

I like epoxy for many crankbaits,

Do you turn it to level it out on a wheel or just turn it a few times?

Speaking only for myself, I do not turn it at all, I apply it with a brush on the thin side and then I clamp my jig with the head up, and let dry. I rarely get any runs. Jigs are small so you don't need a lot of epoxy to cover them. They dry crystal clear.

[Ric670]

not that it means anything but this one is an example of one coat of D2T over the eye...i just made this one this past weekend and i also posted it in the gallery

R

[Ric670]

it holds well and you can barely see the epoxy coat over the eye

[cadman]

not that it means anything but this one is an example of one coat of D2T over the eye...i just made this one this past weekend and i also posted it in the gallery

R

Ric,

Nice looking spinnerbait, I assume that spinnerbait is air brushed and then apoxied?

[psv]

In my case, I do exactly like Cadman. Clear coat and hang it on a rack (hook side down). I have some epoxy runs (like on a pictures), but it's not a problem at all. I can easily remove it by pliers from the hook, after epoxy dried-up.

[cadman]

PSV,

I get the same thing with the epoxy, it runs down the sides when I lightly heat my jigs with a heat gun when it is cold in the basement. I also just let it run down and then break it off on the hook shank.

FYI: For some of you guys that use epoxy. The only time running is a big problem for me is when I use jigs with double collars like the flat eye double collar Arky Jig Mold. If you put too much epoxy on, the epoxy has a tendency to build up on the collar closest to the head. In this case, after about 20 minutes before the epoxy sets up, I take a small brush and keep wiping the excess epoxy just above the collar. Eventually it stops running after about an hour and then you can let it cure or harden. When I epoxy jigs, I usually do a bunch at a time and I watch how the epoxy settles so it's never a problem for me. Like powder painting less is better. You can always put on another coat if you miss a spot.

Edited October 8, 2010 by cadman

[Ric670]

Ric,

Nice looking spinnerbait, I assume that spinnerbait is air brushed and then apoxied?

Yeah Cadman... air brushed then epoxied. Sorry about getting back to you so late...Been doing more fishing lately than making baits.

Rick

[BLT]

I like epoxy for many crankbaits,

Do you turn it to level it out on a wheel or just turn it a few times?

Sorry, missed this one. I don't epoxy. Have not really had a need to, until this winter. I will be making ultra minnows and coating them, then will tie on several colors of bucktail and flash.

[orionn1]

Hey cadman

thanks for all the help,

where do you get your expoxy? and I am correct that you brush on your expoxy right? and the clear coat with devcon?

thanks

robert

As far as everyone here on this forum goes. I will try to help any and all. Those that know me know that, that is a true statement. I have mentored many guys here over the years some which don't post any more. PSV among others are some of my success stories. I can't take cedit for his quality of work. That is all done by a lot of passion and perseverance. It takes at least a year or two in my opinion to get excellent quality and consistency. The rest of it is a lot of practice, trial and error and doing it over and over again until you are happy with your product. Also in order to be the best of the best it takes a lot of passion and you must push yourself to do better and better if that is your goal. There is nothing wrong with just painting jigs and leaving it at that. To me good enough is just not good enough I am a lunatic in trying to come up with different things, color combos and ideas but that is me.

I have also seen Smalljaws painting work, and again top notch quality work. Smalljaw does much of his powder painting with an airbrush. I believe he has some pics in the gallery. Here again I have tried powder painting with an airbrush, and I can't get the hang of it with the colors I want to use. We all have different skills and that's what makes it so nice to see everyone's work and talk about it on the forums.

PSV, that is a nice walleye and your color match on that spinnerbait is excellent for a walleye color pattern. How big is that walleye? Also I think you need to touch up that jig it looks a little beaten up.

[cadman]

Hey cadman

thanks for all the help,

where do you get your expoxy? and I am correct that you brush on your expoxy right? and the clear coat with devcon?

thanks

robert

Orionn,

Here is link of where I get my D2T(Devcon 2 Ton). Naturally the clearer the bottles the clearer the epoxy going on. But I've never had any issues with this epoxy. Keep it in a dark corner out of the light and you'll be fine.

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0095P?FVSEARCH=%3CB%3Edevcon%3C%2FB%3E+30-minute+epoxies+9

As far as application goes:

I only use D2T:

#1 If someone wants a more durable finish.

#2. If I use 2D or 3d eyes.

#3. If I air brush any details over the powder paint.

Other then that I don't use D2T at all. Mainly for myself when I use my jigs. I don't use eyes and rarely ever use D2T. It is an excellent product. My 2nd choice would be E-Tex (Envirotex).

Hope this helps