CHAMPION-206 Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 I am having problems with the epoxy im using staying tacky or sticky? I couldnt find devcon 2 so I bought a 9oz. bottle of hardener and the 9 oz. of resin (loctite brand professional extra time epoxy 60 min.). I have tried to top coat spinnerbaits and seal the 3d eyes with no luck. I mixed even and thourough and even tried thinning with a little denatured the second time. So I guess my question is am I using the wrong epoxy? Or what am I doing wrong. I am mixing it a piece of cardbaord and stirring with a tooth pick and applying with cheap brushes from walmart? I cant figure it out I have got 50 or 60 spinnerbaits that are sticky all gami hooks and dont want to have to waste em? please help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 (edited) I've never used Loc-Tite epoxy, but as far as I know, any epoxy that has a hardener and a resin if mixed properly and thoroughly should harden. Maybe you got a bad batch. All I can say is try a small amount again on a piece of cardboard and let it sit there to see if it hardens. If not try some new stuff and return this one. As far as salvaging your baits goes, if you get some new stuff and it works (on a scrap piece of paper) than you can re-coat again. However I would try this on only a couple of baits. No point in doing all of them again and having the same problem. Make sure you read the insruction on the back of the package to make sure you have the correct ratios. Maybe someone else has used Loc-Tite and will chime in. Edited October 29, 2010 by cadman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAMPION-206 Posted October 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 (edited) thanks cadman I actually did try that on a piece of cardboard and it has remained sticky for 2 days. i did it a second time and it was sticky as well, I dont know what the heck im doing wrong? lol MY powder paint looks real good and i want to salvage it if I can..thanks to all your help with powder painting.. I have the the epoxy that you squeeze out they are both in seperate containers. And I was wondering is there a better way to measure out exact amounts? i put two small dots of each part on a cardboard about the size of a dime and thouroughly mix it turns cloudy???? is this maybe the problem? Any thoughts on how to get exact amounts of each part?, I have racked my little brain and cant figure it out? lol thanks again bud I appreciate all your help. Edited October 29, 2010 by CHAMPION-206 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 Champion, It seems like you are doing everything correctly. On the Devcon 2 ton that I use, it comes in (2) separate injectors as well. I put mine on a piece of cardboard. I squeeze equal amounts about the size of a dime. I then mix it with a wooden popsicle stick like a mad man for about 30 seconds. At that point and time it looks cloudy. The cloudiness is from little tiny air bubbles being trapped in from the mixing. I never had any issue with the air bubbles. I then apply it with a cheap kids craft brush. That's it. I'm sorry but I don't have a solution for you. I'm sure someone else will reply. On cleaning your spinnerbaits to get them clean, be careful what you use there are some cleaners that do not work well with powder paint. I believe lacquer thinner and acetone are some that react with the powder paint and will ruin it. These may work and may not. Naphta may clean it but I don't think it is strong enough. You can also try mineral spirits, virgin lacquer thinner and maybe denatured alcohol. Try it on one spinnerbait first so you don't ruin all of them. If you have to clean them all, please post here on what you used that worked and didn't damage the powder coat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 (edited) Is it possible that the problem your having has something to do with the cardboard your mixing it on? Try mixing some of it in the concave bottom of an aluminum soft drink can after cleaning the can bottom with some acetone or denatured alcohol. I also read somewhere that epoxy should be mixed with a metal rod or at least something made of metal, but I think this has more to do with getting bubbles in the mix. I've mixed D2T, Etex and some other brand of epoxy, that I can't remember the name of, this way and never had the problems your describing. If all else fails try giving Loctite a call and see what their techs have to say. Edited October 29, 2010 by RayburnGuy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musky Glenn Posted October 29, 2010 Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 Here's my guess, and that is all it is. I would think one of two things is causing the problem. 1. Shelf life has run out and it is to old. 2. Tooth pick is not getting it mixed enough. I use the brush that I am going to spread the epoxy with to do the actual mixing. I would suspect it is to old. Musky Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAMPION-206 Posted October 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2010 (edited) thanks guys im having a heck of a time here lol. I tried another coat on a new jighead and same results I think its the epoxy I am headed back to the hardware store to return it. And get some loctite somewhere if I have to drive to every store in town. Ive never had a problem mixing epoxy until this brand.. I will try one more jighead as Rayburn guy suggested on can and see how it works before I do the return thing. Ill keep you all posted, Im bound and determined to get to the bottom of this ..lmao and thanks for the help guys.. Edited October 29, 2010 by CHAMPION-206 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reel doctor Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 I have had similar problems with epoxy doing other things , humidity and conteracting with the paint . Just some problems I have had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSC Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 A long shot but ... try baking a couple of them .... JSC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAMPION-206 Posted October 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 A long shot but ... try baking a couple of them .... JSC well the last batch I did how Rayburn guy explained and still same results . JSc I actually put the first 10 i did in the oven on 175 for an hour and it did nothing to the stickiness at all. Im headed to hardware store to make an exchange and get some devcon it has cost me alot of time trying to figure loctite out. I really appreciate all the help Ive gotten from you guys.Hope fully the devcon will be the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadman Posted October 30, 2010 Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 Champion, I hope you read this before you go. When you buy Devcon. Make sure you buy the 2 Ton 30 minute one. Do not buy the 5 minute as it will yellow right away and there is no working time with it.................Good Luck and let us know how you do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAMPION-206 Posted October 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2010 Champion, I hope you read this before you go. When you buy Devcon. Make sure you buy the 2 Ton 30 minute one. Do not buy the 5 minute as it will yellow right away and there is no working time with it.................Good Luck and let us know how you do Cadman, thanks I am out the door as we speak headed to get it. I will definitely get the 30 minute. I tried the 5 minute one time and it was a nightmare.. I will keep you posted, my neighbor has some devcon and I tried a small amount using the same technique for mixing and stirring and the results were awesome. Im convinced theres something wrong with this loctite batch I have. I re poured all my spinnerbait heads and re powder coated them last night, all night.lol So I think Ill just put devcon over the new batch and try it over a couple of the sticky baits too. And if it seals the sticky ones ill keep em for myself.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAMPION-206 Posted November 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Cadman, thanks I am out the door as we speak headed to get it. I will definitely get the 30 minute. I tried the 5 minute one time and it was a nightmare.. I will keep you posted, my neighbor has some devcon and I tried a small amount using the same technique for mixing and stirring and the results were awesome. Im convinced theres something wrong with this loctite batch I have. I re poured all my spinnerbait heads and re powder coated them last night, all night.lol So I think Ill just put devcon over the new batch and try it over a couple of the sticky baits too. And if it seals the sticky ones ill keep em for myself.. I suggest people stay with devcon. My first batch after returning the loctite was a success.. thx everybody i think Ill just stick to what has been proven and not think all epoxy is the same..I think it was an old batch because even the epoxy i mixed on aluminum never hardened from loctite brand and the devcon hardened within 2 hours completely. thx again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Glad you got the problem solved. And thanks for posting the info. Maybe it saved some of the rest of us the same problems you had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAMPION-206 Posted November 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 Glad you got the problem solved. And thanks for posting the info. Maybe it saved some of the rest of us the same problems you had. lord I hope so rayburn because such a minor thing turned into a weekend long chore. And I am very relieved I did too. Now I need to find a place online to get devcon in larger bottles than the syringe (sp)? style ..Any ideas where to go I think ill start at a local hobby store here b4 I go online and look. thx again guys.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted November 2, 2010 Report Share Posted November 2, 2010 lord I hope so rayburn because such a minor thing turned into a weekend long chore. And I am very relieved I did too. Now I need to find a place online to get devcon in larger bottles than the syringe (sp)? style ..Any ideas where to go I think ill start at a local hobby store here b4 I go online and look. thx again guys.. As I live in a small town my choices are pretty much limited to either driving 25 miles to a larger city or ordering stuff online. If I drive into the city I try to wait until I have a list of several items so it makes the trip more worthwhile. When ordering online the shipping costs on most items are enough to make you want to eat horseshoe nails. I looked at purchasing some 9oz. bottles of D2T online the other day and the shipping cost was almost as much as the epoxy. If you have a place close to you that sells D2T in the syringes you might ask them if they can order the larger bottles for you. Doesn't cost anything to ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
