DeltaMan Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 I am extremely curious to know if any of you have ever tried putting scales on a wooden bait and if it worked. I'd like to know some manner of creating texture on my baits but i don't know where to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesse1378 Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 I am extremely curious to know if any of you have ever tried putting scales on a wooden bait and if it worked. I'd like to know some manner of creating texture on my baits but i don't know where to start. there is a vidoe i think its on youtube were the guy uses foil and creates all types of scale patters with various things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airbrushextreme Posted January 3, 2011 Report Share Posted January 3, 2011 I have been doing this for 2 years now I use hologram prism tape from WTP Inc. either punched out with a diamond shaped punch or I cut out the scales with a scale shaped punch that cuts out the holo scales from the transparent backing. This is the same Magic Scales effect that luckycraft uses on their baits I have done over 35 patterns like this and my clientelle try to keep it hush hush but every now and then it gets out the LC gunmetal shad and crack were a couple of colors that were showed/gave to skeet reese at the blue ridge brawl at Smith Mountain Lake VA in 2008 by one of my former clients try red scales on a red craw with a chartreuse belly or copper scales on a brown crawfish colored bait I also done a JSJ snack size shad and original double joint in a deep candy red with copper and gold scales it screams CARP or sucker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaMan Posted January 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 I am more looking for a way to put the scales on a bait so that i could use the bait to make a mold and have several reproductions of the same bait with scales not on the outside of the bait but part of the bait itself. You know what i mean? if not i could clarify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayburnGuy Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 Something like this? http://www.tackleunderground.com/community/gallery/image/7788-new-and-old/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodkaman Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 I am more looking for a way to put the scales on a bait so that i could use the bait to make a mold and have several reproductions of the same bait with scales not on the outside of the bait but part of the bait itself. You know what i mean? if not i could clarify. Seems to me their are three methods to achieve carved 3D scales: 1 - chisels, carving knives etc. 2 - engraving techniques, dremel tools etc. 3 - wood burning tools. These methods have been skirted around on this forum, but I cannot remember any thread that really got to grips with the subject, which kinda surprises me. Why not document your progress with photos and written comentary of your experiences (good and bad) and post it. The thing to remember is that you will be applying one or two coats of a thick top coat, so the scale carving will need to be exagerated so that the texture shows through the coatings. Practise on scrap pieces first, to get into the technique. Here are a couple of web sites that I found with a simple search of "carving fish scales": http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/f60/small-scale-fish-carving-15831/ http://www.fishcarver.com/making_fish_scale_tips.htm http://www.woodcarvingillustrated.com/forum/f40/carving-fish-scales-12086/ Their are video results too covering carving and burning. Good luck and I look forward to your instructional thread. Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 You could glue scale cloth onto the bait, and then foil over it. I've seen it done on this site, but I don't remember where. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobv Posted January 4, 2011 Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 I have been doing this for 2 years now I use hologram prism tape from WTP Inc. either punched out with a diamond shaped punch or I cut out the scales with a scale shaped punch that cuts out the holo scales from the transparent backing. This is the same Magic Scales effect that luckycraft uses on their baits I have done over 35 patterns like this and my clientelle try to keep it hush hush but every now and then it gets out the LC gunmetal shad and crack were a couple of colors that were showed/gave to skeet reese at the blue ridge brawl at Smith Mountain Lake VA in 2008 by one of my former clients try red scales on a red craw with a chartreuse belly or copper scales on a brown crawfish colored bait I also done a JSJ snack size shad and original double joint in a deep candy red with copper and gold scales it screams CARP or sucker I've been trying this method although I'm not thrilled with the results. I've been using a round punch and cutting the round punch out in half. Where did you find the punches you are using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaMan Posted January 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2011 I've looked at the wood burning stuff... It looks tedious. I do wonder whether or not there is a material that could be used to just hammer in the bait to give it texture and go from their... Trying to think outside of the box here. I believe a new method of making scales is soon needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Prager Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 Leather stamps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaMan Posted January 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 They have fish scale leather stamps??? do you have a link or a picture? btw i am not limiting my search to exclusively fish scales i would also like a rhombus like pattern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Prager Posted January 5, 2011 Report Share Posted January 5, 2011 I doubt they are made specifically for scales. I do remember (vaguely) working with leather in the early 70's and I had about 50 different stamps. Some were scalloped and could be used for a nice scale effect. Try e-bay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airbrushextreme Posted January 9, 2011 Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 I've been trying this method although I'm not thrilled with the results. I've been using a round punch and cutting the round punch out in half. Where did you find the punches you are using? Dont tell my wife but they came from her scrapbooking punches she has a punch with about 100 different attachments and one is a diamond shape I also tried the 1/4 moon punch but it takes too much time to align those Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaMan Posted January 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2011 Thanks 152 I did a little research to see who has made baits with scales on them and i found Jeep's Esox pike to have scales... i would like to know how he did those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishwhittler Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Here are some pics of a scaling tool I made. I made it from a 1/4" steel rod. The tools I used were a dremel with a grinding bit and a round file. This is the tool I used to do the scale patterns on the bait in my gallery. The other scales I did are made with a wood-burning tool. I used the wood-burner without plugging it in, as it gets too hot for PVC. This works very well on PVC baits, but you might run into some issues with wooden baits. Wooden baits require sealing, and it could be difficult to seal the bait and avoid covering the scale pattern with whatever sealer was used. An epoxy would probably smooth over the scales, and a thinner sealer might let the woodgrain show through. You might be able to make it work by foiling directly over the scales instead of sealing. Then the scales would still be visible after paint and topcoat. I don't have to worry about this because I'm using PVC and it doesn't require sealing. I'm sure there's a way to make this system work with wooden baits; it just might take a bit of experimenting to find the best way. I hope this helps. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Ben, Color me stupid, but how do you use your homemade tool to make scales? Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishwhittler Posted January 11, 2011 Report Share Posted January 11, 2011 Ben, Color me stupid, but how do you use your homemade tool to make scales? Mark I just push the tool into the lure body in rows, staggering each row in relation to the previous row. I can post pics if that would help. This swimbait has scales made using this technique, so it might help show how I did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark poulson Posted January 12, 2011 Report Share Posted January 12, 2011 I just push the tool into the lure body in rows, staggering each row in relation to the previous row. I can post pics if that would help. This swimbait has scales made using this technique, so it might help show how I did it. I see, said the blind man! Too simple, and too smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaMan Posted January 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2011 I tried taking a wood carving chisel with a similar shape to my bait before i had read your response. i think it will work with practice. Brilliant invention though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gadawgs Posted January 15, 2011 Report Share Posted January 15, 2011 Scales aren't blatantly obvious on most fish, so I don't think an epoxy top coat would have an adverse effect. Really coal looking bait though. Ive been trying to figure out how to do this for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
